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post #1 of 10 Old 09-17-2013, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
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HELP! Could candidate to train for hunter jumper and dressage?

PLEEAASSEE I need answers! What are your true opinions on this gelding, please watch the video too.




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post #2 of 10 Old 09-17-2013, 09:44 PM
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Very long, weak back. His front legs are bad, over at the knee...and he has long pasterns all the way around. He looks like he may be a smidge downhill too.

overall I don't like him.
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post #3 of 10 Old 09-18-2013, 02:21 AM
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Long weak back that will make it difficult for him to engage his hind quarters or make a shape over a fence. Also over at the knee that may cause tripping.
I really don't see him at a hunter jumper or a dressage prospect due to these faults.
I you are thinking of adopting him, I would pass.
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post #4 of 10 Old 09-18-2013, 11:47 AM
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Won't say anything about the rider, as this is only horse critique, but the horse doesn't step under himself and looks a tiny bit off in some places (e.g. for a few sec at 0:27). He doesn't bend and doesn't engage his back, and the tongue thing is pretty irritating.

I'd pass as well, there are better prospects out there.
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post #5 of 10 Old 09-18-2013, 12:42 PM
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'Dat back ._.

I can't speak for dressage, as I'm not as versed, but I don't think he'll make a great H/J prospect...
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He looks more nervous than anything. I think he needs WAY more longe time. He is handsome!!

His back does not look weak to me, but his left front tendon looks bowed. Do you know why he left the track?

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If I were looking for a dressage horse and saw the face pics I would look. But seeing the confo pics and the video.. No chance.
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post #8 of 10 Old 09-18-2013, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Regula View Post
and the tongue thing is pretty irritating.
This. I have a good friend who has a really nice dressage horse who happens to loll his tongue out while he's being ridden. He doesn't look tense when he's doing it, and he does it no matter what bit he's being ridden in (and will even do it bitless, though of course, bitless isn't dressage legal anyway) She's stopped taking him to shows because of it- judges kept marking her down, and she even had one judge tell her that she wouldn't give him higher than a 6 on any movement where his tongue was out no matter how well he performed it.
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post #9 of 10 Old 09-18-2013, 02:37 PM
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this is NOT a dressage horse. He is built too long over too much ground and he is down hill. His long and weak back will not allow him to be tidy over fences, even though his shoulder looks like it should give him enough freedom to get his legs up and even.

His video says a lot. He is both short and choppy strided. At the trot it looks like the rider is trying to do some sort of bending or something.. maybe just trying to steer him.. but he pops his shoulder in on a few corners. He also has the tongue sticking out thing.. on the track they tie the tongue down so he may be looking for that. Whatever. If you get this horse, the way to try to stop the tongue out of the mouth thing is to drop back and ride and work the horse in a rawhide core Bosal or even a side pull. No bit and the horse learns to carry himself without using his tongue as a pacifier.

Due to his length he has difficulty balancing and he runs into the canter. Then he canters and races around on his forehand leaning to the inside.

I cut him slack due to his being green.. but he is not a horse that will be easy to ride in either discipline you describe. He needs a LOT of training yet.

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Put the work in as you should with all horses and he should be able to do lower level dressage and jumping. Get his back checked and then transitions transitions transitions after his back is done and a few weeks of mainly transitions he should be connecting behind and his movement will soften because he hits the ground rather hard at the moment and as long as your driving him up ito your hand he should be good. Also riding him into your hand and tansitions will work his top line and reduce the dippiness as per say. Long backs don't stop horses that much if you think about it because the majority of mares have long backs and that dosnt stop them :) Feed him non heating feeds full of fibre to help him round (simple systems is good). Honest to God you can improve him in his weak points alot doing that. We do that with my veteran pony who when we got him needed two risers to level the saddle we worked him and fed him like I said above really making him work low to streghten his back and over the past two years he has been a winning machine out showing against younger ponies soo its up to you but i think with the right work and feed you could get him where you want him :)
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