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    12-24-2011, 12:33 AM
  #241
Yearling
Horsegears, I couldn't find that post so I couldn't compare :/
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    12-24-2011, 12:35 AM
  #242
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horsegears    
Yes, if you effectively quote me with a statement
That I did not make I take that quite seriously.

Enough said.
You have, multiple times, called downhill, posty horses with poor hind angles for Dressage, Dressage horses. Because I refuse to go through a thread and find all instances of this does not make my point moot and the fact you refuse to justify your opinion further exemplifies your lack of knowledge in Dressage horse conformation.

$0.02
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    12-24-2011, 12:41 AM
  #243
Trained
Some dressage related comments below:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horsegears    
Legacy-15-20 year old Appy(assuming, he's an auction horse)


Sloped pasterns perhaps on the shorter side. Good
Short cannons and shorter limbs overall. The shoulder
Joint is very nicely closed and the blade slope is reasonable.
The blades extra length is a positive. The back is longer
And it looks like we are getting a bit of a dip here with age.
The croup is short but gains some strength from a longer
Femur. Larger barrel and longer overall body type.
Likely smooth ride at his peak. Dressage probably
Best shot here.
#32

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horsegears    



Appears leggy, even TB considered. Good moderate muscle type
With nice portions of both strength and flexibility. Slightly closed
Shoulder joint. Shoulder blade is perhaps a touch shorter. Longer
Through the back. The hind is functionally probably quite strong,
And this also adds strength to the loins. Dressage and jumps
May suit this one.
#35

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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
You should really be specifying what level of dressage you think some of these horses are suited to, because honestly none of the horses save the first TB you have labelled as a "dressage type" horse would I even look at for a prospect for the upper levels of dressage. If it's conformation is as such it would be more appropriate to label a horse as a "pleasure" or "english flat" horse than a dressage horse... JMO. While everything can do dressage, only horses with a specific conformational type will excel at it and stay sound at the upper levels.
post 42

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horsegears    


Battling to get a good view of this one.

Pasterns are well sloped and this one is very leggy.
Some scope for added muscle. The wither set
Appears a little forward. The back is on the longer
Side. The girth is shallow which in this case may help
Stride extension and goes with the type. The hind is a
Little leaner. Lacks a little prime moving strength
At both ends but may have some good flexibility
And natural fitness. English and/or Dressage best
Shots for this one based on type only.
post 48

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Originally Posted by Horsegears    



Based on this photo only.

Well sloped pasterns with longer fore cannons.
The shoulder is fairly good/text-book. Back is a
Good length. The croup is also functional strong
And completes an above average top-line that
Is also nicely balanced between the fore and
Hind. Slightly longer overall body with a shorter
Neck. Deep girth and large barrel. Some sharp
Muscle shape indicating strength/speed. Fairly
Versatile across disciplines with some athleticism
And dressage/eventing would appear to suit ideally.
post 49

I think that gives a factual basis for someone to discuss if the horses above are well suited for dressage or not. I personally am totally clueless on conformation, and not much better on dressage. I'm like a dog watching TV. I cannot contribute to a rational discussion of the merits of these rating.

However, I ask others to stick to specifics, and discuss IDEAS, not personalities.
     
    12-24-2011, 12:46 AM
  #244
Trained
On an open forum, discussion and even disagreement are acceptable. Personal attacks are not.

I've posted some pictures and comments from earlier in the thread. It would be entirely acceptable to disagree with the critique and say why it is wrong, just as it would be entirely acceptable for the OP to discuss why it is right.

Let's stick to reasons, not personalities.

My mustang pony could do low level dressage, but I'd be surprised if any of our dressage riders would want to take him up for competitive dressage. Nice pony, and I think he is a keeper, but I would be shocked if anyone thought he would prosper in competitive dressage. His extended trot is like being on a drunk jackhammer:

     
    12-24-2011, 12:47 AM
  #245
Banned
Quote:
Originally Posted by lubylol    
Horsegears, I couldn't find that post so I couldn't compare :/
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Comments made..

Facing right.................................

Shorter limbs. Pasterns a touch extra slope type
Considered. Evenly/good sloped blade. Nice length back
(considering longer body type) which is well supported by a
Strong and deep girth. Large barrel capacity. The upper
Hind is very strong with both good croup and femur lengths.
Nicely set neck which may be a touch shorter in length.
Some versatility but overall perhaps a bias towards strength
And western disciplines.

AND

Facing left..........................................

Well sloped pasterns, shorter stockier limbs.
Lovely slope to shoulder and good/reasonable
Wither set. The back is longer as expected with
A longer horse. The croup and hind is also fairly
Strong. Large river barrel. Obviously a longer body
With a good countering shorter neck. Western and
strength oriented. Despite stockier limbs
A smooth ride may be likely here and very easy to
Under-rate.


To me they are very similar comments. Different wording but essentially the same.
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    12-24-2011, 12:51 AM
  #246
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by lubylol    

EDIT** Also, because he/she says "dressage" doesn't mean they mean HIGH LEVEL dressage. I think of low levels, training, etc...(Not sure of the levels)
Exactly, a horse with a long muscle type, shallow girth and very lean hind will be better off at dressage than say high jumping or high intensity western barrels - where soundness, safety and other factors may certainly become an issue.

That does not mean the horse is going to be a leading dressage type, rather that's the short of work that she/he may be best suited to - all considered.

That's what functional conformation is all about, Not just good or bad traditional text book stuff. But analyzing traits and were they may be best suited, and/or effectively 'least disadvantaged'.

Completely different mind set to the specialist who's only after a top level performer and considering only one discipline and is looking for a specific type of horse.

An open mind is needed.

An ability or athletic rating, rather than a suitability rating is what would be used to assess a horse's top-end *potential for a given task.

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    12-24-2011, 12:58 AM
  #247
Yearling
Exactly^^
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    12-24-2011, 01:20 AM
  #248
Trained
Ok because when I read Dressage horse I think of a PSG+ horse. But I guess my sport is just so beneath all yall that I should just give up attempting to explain otherwise... luckily I'm stubborn!

Dressage is just as hard, or harder on a horse than any other discipline. It is a slap in the face to those of us whom have dedicated our lives to breeding, training and competing elite sport horses in Dressage for some guy to suggest that anything with 4 legs can do it. Bsms pulled up some of the relevant posts...

I do have an open mind, but someone suggesting (bubbas grey for an example) that a downhill horse obviously lacking the hindquarter strength and without appropriate angles behind (all that's required is a ruler and protractor!) Is a Dressage horse is seriously smoking something. Were I on my pc I would post a video and the horses flat, quick movement, completely unsuitable for Dressage and foreseeable in her conformation would further prove my point.

Maybe instead of suggesting such a horse to be suitable or "least disadvantaged" for Dressage, an Olympic level SPORT one would be more inclined to use the words "pleasure riding".

But Dressage is, has always been and will forever be "easy" and its upper levels easily attainable while maintaining soundness by anything with 4 legs... *sigh*.

Nice try on your "athletic suitability" bs though, never mentioned it in the previous 25 pages! Suitability infers that its what the horse is suitable for and you say Dressage - the horse better be a Dressage horse!!
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    12-24-2011, 01:25 AM
  #249
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    

Dressage is just as hard, or harder on a horse than any other discipline. It is a slap in the face to those of us whom have dedicated our lives to breeding, training and competing elite sport horses in Dressage for some guy to suggest that anything with 4 legs can do it.e
Genuine western horses with a strong bias are clearly not ideally suited to dressage, so I would certainly not say any horse on 4 legs will do it to a high or even good/reasonable level etc. (You appear to be making assumptions based on a lack of understanding again)

I am sorry that you were insulted by thinking that I believed any horse was suited to dressage, or high level dressage. (Clearly not the case)

I request that you don't hold this against me with what appears as vexatious comments as a re-retaliation to these apparent insults.

I do feel the above is balanced and reasonable, but its up to you.



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    12-24-2011, 01:33 AM
  #250
Banned
I said I was going to stay out of it but I guess I lied.

These were the critiques, based on the photos below. All of the photos picture the same horse.





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Critique #1:

Touch shorter limbs which are well muscled. The shoulder
Blade is long and has reasonable/good slope. The back is
a good length and nicely matches the deeper girth and
larger barrel. The hind is also strong. Nice neck set and
A higher head carriage likely. Perhaps a longer body
Shape with slightly shorter neck. Very nicely balanced
between fore and hind and has obvious versatility. I do see
perhaps a slight bias to western, although English is fine
as well. Very standard text book and easy on the eye
For potential buyers if need be.

Critique #2:

Pasterns are well sloped and this one is very leggy.
Some scope for added muscle. The wither set
Appears a little forward. The back is on the longer
side. The girth is shallow which in this case may help
Stride extension and goes with the type. The hind is a
little leaner. Lacks a little prime moving strength
at both ends but may have some good flexibility
And natural fitness. English and/or Dressage best
shots for this one based on type only.

I've color-coded the significant deviations.

How would I critique my horse?

Long (but strong) back, straighter shoulder (but still fairly good), lower wither. Very mild calf knees (which may be related to her serious lameness problems). Good depth of heartgirth. Adequate pasterns (on the shorter side in the hind, but well-angled) but a tad posty in the hocks (which are capped). Steep croup. Muscular ewe neck which is short and naturally upright. Downhill build. Fat and bitchy.

Dressage potential at a competitive level? Hardly. She's fast and athletic, but in the same way that a charging rhinoceros is fast and athletic. Not terribly rough, but sure not something you'd call a pretty or smooth mover, and no suspension whatsoever. She is, however, a winning 1D barrel horse. She has incredible stride and speed. And a terrible propensity toward lameness, perhaps coming, at least in part, from faulty foreleg conformation.
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