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post #331 of 343 Old 12-27-2011, 01:52 AM
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[QUOTE=Skyseternalangel;1281247] I'm going to unsubscribe. This is getting a little ridiculous QUOTE]




Same, never heard any horseperson say a lower level conformed horse has to be called a pleasure horse.
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Same, never heard any horseperson say a lower level conformed horse has to be called a pleasure horse.
If the horse can do lower level dressage, fine. Do it.

But since I'm constantly told that ANY horse can do low level dressage, there is no value in saying "This horse can do low level dressage". If ANY horse can do it, then saying it is like saying, "This horse can eat hay".

Pretty much any horse in the world can jump 6-12 inches. Should any horse in the world be called 'suitable for jumping'? If the standard is, "Good enough to jump 6 inches", then saying the horse can jump becomes meaningless.

My horses can jump 12 inches, but none of them would be a good purchase for someone who wants to use a horse for jumping. My horses can do training to improve their flexibility and athleticism, but none of them would be a good purchase for someone who wants to use a horse for competitive dressage.

Here is an article that discusses what conformation results in a good dressage horse:

Desirable conformational traits in a dressage horse

A horse doesn't have to be built for dressage to do low level dressage, but he should be built for it before someone singles him out as 'suitable for dressage'. Otherwise, "suitable for dressage" = "horse". And we already have a good word for that - "horse"!
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Why do people post that they are going to unsubscribe? The post itself is contrary to their statement...





Most people know that my gelding Casper is a trainwreck. But he excels at dressage...standing dressage.

Casper and I invented standing dressage, and standing dressage is a growing discipline in the Ozarks, and just about any horse can do well. All it takes is a quiet clearing in the woods and a nice sunny day...no fees, no travel, no bad judges, no tiresome grooming, no expensive tack, and no fancy pants or silly hats.

While sitting peacefully in our clearing in the warm sun, Casper and I visualize our routine. After years of practice, we are in perfect synchronization. What might be to some the sound of a flock of birds passing overhead we know to be the startled crowd, taking in their breath at our perfect movement in unison - we are one body...we are one mind.

Standing dressage can extremely demanding. Sometimes between our rounds, I dismount, have a smoke, and visit the nearest tree while Casper rests peacefully and grabs a few mouthfulls of grass to regain his energy for the next round.

While some people might poo-poo standing dressage, it takes far more skill and mental coordination between man and horse to visualize doing a routine together than to actually do a routine together. Birds, butterflies, squirrels, chipmunks, and an overwhelming compulsion to close one's eyes, daydream, and slowly drift to sleep - all conspire to distract one's attention from the business at hand. It takes very strict discipline to avoid losing one's concentration.

But the rewards are worth it. The slow mosey up the path back to the barn through the throngs of worshipping admirers after a hard day of standing dressage creates a contentment and satisfaction that most people never have the opportunity to enjoy...they are far too busy rushing through their lives, celebrating victories and grieving losses, stressed and worried, to enjoy the simple pleasures of true communion with their equine partner.

I'm sure someday Casper will be dethroned - nothing lasts forever, and all champions must bow to those who follow. But for now he is the best. Number one. The man. There is no other that can even approach his skill at standing dressage...
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I'll add that some people buy a horse FOR a sport, and others (me) buy a horse and then look for a sport.

For the first person, suitable means "a good horse to buy in support of my chosen sport". For the second, suitable means, "good enough".

My little mustang is good for my purposes. However, some of the things that make him a good match for me would make him a poor choice for jumping. He has a heavy body for his size, and thick legs. He was born wild, and is cautious about his footing. For an adult male riding in the desert, he does fine. The solid body and legs can carry my weight. When picking the way thru rocks, his caution keeps us safe. Safe is very important to both of us!

Although he can jump, his build works against him. Heavy weight for his height means he'll never say:

"I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds..."

Indeed, he has no desire to dance the skies. He wants his feet on the ground. Think Gimli!

In the future, one of my granddaughters may want to learn jumping, and he could do it - at a very low level. Beyond that, he would not be suitable.

Gratuitous Internet airplane pic - humor a former WSO/EWO who would gladly "slip the surly bonds of earth". It has been a long time since I had a chance to play with the clouds :


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Face - I love the standing dressage concept! I'm queen of horseless freestyle reining. It's also a visualization sport, turn the satellite radio to classic vinyl, find a great song like Styx's Renegade and imagine where your slides, spins, circles and lead changes would fall in the song. You should try it sometime.
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post #337 of 343 Old 12-27-2011, 09:56 AM
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Smile Please Take a Look At My Mare :)

I would love to hear what you think of my mare.
The pictures where she looks wet is when she was down on her weight and in heavy work outs, the other pictures are from when she was out of shape and very fluffy! She is now in shape and at a good weight :) but I have not current body shots of her. These pictures were not taken to judge her confo so I will understand if they are not ones you can work with.
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Would love to hear what you think of Oliver, first picture is the most recent, 2nd one is when I first got him :) BE harsh!

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Unfortunately for the people that were enjoying this thread without the excess commentary, I think that HorseGears will probably not be coming back to this thread.

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I'll add that some people buy a horse FOR a sport, and others (me) buy a horse and then look for a sport.
That's an excellent comment, bsms. It happens more often then not BTW. When I got my qh filly ALL I was looking for was a pleasure horse for trail riding (several months later I got my paint to pull it off the bad situation, and I wasn't even planning on breaking/riding it). But the appetite comes as you eat, so I got tired of just trail riding and decided to try bunch of other things. Then I started lessons. Now I look into showing dressage (even though on low levels) and (possibly and if everything goes smooth) jumping for one of them.

Faceman, I'm not just great at standing dressage. My qh and me are PERFECT at it!

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