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post #1 of 57 Old 05-12-2012, 11:52 PM Thread Starter
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Horse hind end conformation problem

So, I've been trying to figure out what has been going on with my mare's legs. Vet thought she was just butt high and still growing since she is a draft cross. I had not put to rest EPM or wobblers etc....just wasn't sure. She just started doing light trotting under saddle and now you can clearly see her tripping herself up with her hind feet. Wondering if this is a conformation issue and just have to live with it or if there are excercises to do? Maybe once she is more balanced she will improve? She seems to swing that right hind foot in. I will try and get a better video tomorrow. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I plan on having her re-evaluated.

snickers conformation problem with right hind leg.... - YouTube
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post #2 of 57 Old 05-12-2012, 11:57 PM
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It looks like something going on higher up like in her hip. There's some pain.. I don't think it's just conformation.

Can you get a picture of her legs from behind with her squared up?
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It looks like something going on higher up like in her hip. There's some pain.. I don't think it's just conformation.

Can you get a picture of her legs from behind with her squared up?
Yes, I will get more pics and video tomorrow. Not sure if it's painful....she never acts lame, she just trips herself from behind sometimes...even not under saddle. I was thinking hip too....didn't know if it would be a sacraliliac type thing....guess the vet would have to tell me. It also is not consistent. When she runs around sometimes when she down transitions...it looks like she gets her butt underneath her like in a sliding stop and trips herself. Like I said, I will get better pics and video tomorrow. Thanks though.
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It looks like something going on higher up like in her hip. There's some pain.. I don't think it's just conformation.

Can you get a picture of her legs from behind with her squared up?
I didn't have anyone with me this morning for pics squared up....I did take this video of her walking though. I'll ride her later and have someone video her.

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Doesn't look like a conformation issue -- she has decent angles to her croup, hocks & pasterns, and her hips look fairly even. To diagnose this problem, we would need to see pictures of her standing square, in profile and from behind. And ideally also video from the side and from behind of someone walking & trotting her in a straight line. It's impossible to tell anything from videos of her trotting a million miles away and meandering around in a field.

However, two things come to mind when I hear tripping issues with the hind feet. First, as you've already mentioned, EPM. The other, which would be far preferable, trimming/shoeing issues in the feet. If the medial-lateral balance is off in the hind feet, it would be pretty easy for her to interfere with herself. It almost looks like there's something going on in the walk, but it's hard to tell without seeing her move in a straight line.
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In hand or free lunging videos would be the most helpful - under saddle adds too many variables. (Saddle fit, rider balance, etc)
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In hand or free lunging videos would be the most helpful - under saddle adds too many variables. (Saddle fit, rider balance, etc)
Thank you Clementine. I will lunge her as well and have pics of her standing square too later this afternoon. I'm so frustrated. She is such a good horse. She has had two trims since I've owned her and her third will be due on May 25th. I will discuss this with my farrier. When trying the other tests on her for wobblers, EPM etc....it doesn't fit. She backs fine, has good tail tone and strength, doesn't swing her legs out in a tight circle, she has good lateral flexion.....hmmmmmm. She is a spotted draft cross and three years old....hoping that with some exercises her muscles will improve maybe? I'll get those pics and videos today...thanks so much again. I welcome all the help and advice.
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I think something may have happened in pasture.. she pulled something or fell or whatever and it's just got her out of whack. I would have someone come take a look at her, like a chiropractor or an equine masseuse (or that lady) or even the vet so see if you guys can pinpoint the "block"

She stands fine, but when she walks, she goes VERY toed out and her legs get to close together. It could be her confirmation but her legs just seem kind of weak when she takes a step. Does anyone else see that?
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First I like him lol 2nd I am seeing some lameness that to me seems to be in the hip area. She's favoring that leg with each step. She may of pulled a muscle or is a simple strain. Any chance she could of been playing with the others and got kicked? Either way I am seeing some favoring with that hind leg. I hope all is okay and Snickers heals soon.

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I have a few pictures and a couple videos....it was hard to capture the video stuff. A few people viewed her and said that when she trotted under saddle it was almost like she was gaited in her hind...wierd rythem, very quick....but could be because she is just learning the under saddle thing. She never seems to be in any kind of pain, always willing, always happy and upbeat, never puts her ears back, swishes her tail or bucks. It really is quite mysterius. I will have another vet look at her, but already had one look at her twice. I have owned her since last fall and she has been this way the whole time and actually has improved. She is gaining muscle in her rump now too. I was told by a friend of my who is a John Lyons friend/trainer...who is also baffled by this....to keep doing lateral type exercises with her and yielding her hindquarters etc. along with hills and ground poles to gain more strength. She is quite the little horse.




snickers lunging - YouTube

doodoo.mov - YouTube

If it's just bad conformation, coordination or breeding....I am ok with all of that. She is a great horse and I accept her for the goofball she is. I just am trying to weed out any bad possabilities I guess.:P
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