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    12-10-2011, 01:33 PM
  #11
Green Broke
People get caught up in the 20% thing because they don't read all the way into it. No reason that horse couldnt easily carry 300 o 400 lbs at a putz around speed on easy terrain with a bit of conditioning. Look at the normal weights for ponyies and horses in military service.
The 20 percent issue was based on cavalry studies that found a horse loaded to 20% could carry that weight all day every day indefinetly with no ill efffects.
Whereas horses that were loaded to30% would wear down and need rest after a couple weeks. Somewhere along the lines the first 20% sentence was read and now it gets repeated as gospel on what a pasture pals max load is.
Remember that 20% was for a horse road all day every day for weeks and months at a time not for a couple hours aroud the block. I only have two legs and am old an out of shape and 20% wouldnt even phase me. WHen I was n shape I could carry my body weight on patrols several miles at a time
     
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    12-10-2011, 02:32 PM
  #12
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Joe, horses and humans are not built the same. It's the old suspension bridge analogy. Their spines cannot support massive amounts of weight, and even after a short ride they are extremely sore and may have long-term, even life-long problems. Lordosis, kissing spine, muscle damage, etc.

Watch the horse buckle under this guy's weight and tell me that's OK:

     
    12-10-2011, 04:36 PM
  #13
Yearling
The leading experts in horse biomechanics and anatomy would tell you to never put more than 250# on ANY horse. Period. Wither height has nothing to do with weight bearing abilities either. Generally speaking, the strongest horses are those with short, wide loins coupled with a 15-18% pelvic angle. Narrow horses with shallow pelvises tend to suffer from more weight-bearing injuries.
     
    12-10-2011, 06:25 PM
  #14
Green Broke
I'd say those leading experts wern't very leading or very expert or hired by PETA Lots and lots of horses were and are used to carry alot more than #250 lbs. That's just insane. My horse is carrying that on 25 plus mile rides and he's just an average 15 or so hand walker.
     
    12-10-2011, 06:42 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
I'd say those leading experts wern't very leading or very expert or hired by PETA Lots and lots of horses were and are used to carry alot more than #250 lbs. That's just insane. My horse is carrying that on 25 plus mile rides and he's just an average 15 or so hand walker.
And you've had all of these horses thoroughly vetted for pain, right? And you've followed them along their lifetimes to look for signs of advanced rates of arthritis and lordosis too, right? And you've actually read the biomechanics veterinary studies and found the flaws in their physics calculations, right?
     
    12-10-2011, 07:38 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
And you've had all of these horses thoroughly vetted for pain, right? And you've followed them along their lifetimes to look for signs of advanced rates of arthritis and lordosis too, right? And you've actually read the biomechanics veterinary studies and found the flaws in their physics calculations, right?
You can't reason with someone that suggests you can put 400 pounds on a 900 pound horse...waste of time.

The amount of weight a horse can comfortably carry without causing issues is dependent upon a lot of factors - size and weight of the horse, strength and length of the back, density of bone, size and quality of hooves, gait of the horse, riding ability of the rider, what type of riding will be done, and obviously the condition, soundness, and leg conformation of the horse - lots of things. There is no standard percent - one size does not fit all...I've seen 1,000 pound horses that could carry 300 pounds pretty comfortably, and then I have seen 1,200 pound horses that had trouble carying 200...
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    12-10-2011, 07:40 PM
  #17
Trained
Bubba, that guy is alot more than 250 lbs, plus the horse is light, plus the saddle is not designed for good weight distribution, plus the saddle is too small for the guy. Not comparable at all.

As for hauling around 250 lbs of pack -- that's different than 250 lbs of rider. It can be distributed differently. A horse can do that all day.

Though I agree that the average healthy horse with a good saddle has no problem with a 250 lbs decent rider at a walk. A good rider at more than that.
     
    12-10-2011, 07:42 PM
  #18
Trained
I want to "like" Faceman's post, but there isn't a clickable "like."
     
    12-10-2011, 07:47 PM
  #19
Yearling
I had an experience once with a very heavy noobie rider on my precious 14+ hand QH mare, in my saddle (a heavy western saddle but now I know it was at least 2" too small for him). He decided to try to ride like a yahoo from TV and almost fell out of the saddle, nearly taking my mare with him. I had to get him off of her. I learned a big lesson - I always told the little kid guest riders what the 'rules' are and assume that adults have some common sense. But, now, I pretty much don't let adults ride and my precious mare doesn't carry any guests over grade school age.
     
    12-10-2011, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
Bubba, that guy is alot more than 250 lbs, plus the horse is light, plus the saddle is not designed for good weight distribution, plus the saddle is too small for the guy. Not comparable at all.
I was responding to Joe, who said it was reasonable to ask a 900 lb horse to carry a 400 lb rider.
     

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