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    12-11-2011, 07:55 PM
  #21
Trained
Well, I guess Joe can respond to that if he'd like. However he did say a conditioned horse and he didn't specify a rider of that weight -- just that amount of weight. To me, that meant pack weight.

Point taken though Bubba.
     
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    12-11-2011, 10:03 PM
  #22
Green Broke
I don't really need to analyze socalled experts when I can look all around me and see horses every day carrying more than 250 lbs. And yep there is no reasoning with someone who has first hand experience seeing with my own eyes many many horses carrying over 250 lbs and the ability to think for myself.
In fact in the 16th-18th century there was actually a unit of measure called a "horseload" which equaled 200lbs of cargo.. not counting the pack equipment. These were horses used to carry way more miles than we will ever ride. Not to mention back in the day there wasnt really much distinction between pony and horse, all were considered horses, with the averages in the 13-14 hand range.
If we listened to these experts they basically say no men should ever be riding western even on a Budweiser Clydesdale. My first horse was a 14.3 QH/ saddle bread cutting horse, carried me over hill and dale until he was retired at about 28, lived into his 30's with no ill effects. I never did a Vulcan mind meld and asked him how he felt though.
Based on my research in military and commerce equine history and what I see around me each and every day , I'm just going to go ahead and raise the big giant BS flag on that one.
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    12-11-2011, 11:06 PM
  #23
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Different experts say different things, and we all decide what we think of their opinions, for instance there are a whole bunch of experts and a wealth of history monitor our use and growth of our language, I suppose they went to college rather than rodeo. Those experts and those conventions should prevent me wondering how much you paid for a "Bread Cutting Horse" must of been a pretty penny.

Being a heavy rider myself, currently above the 250 pound mark, I am careful who I ride and how long for, and the most important person in the equation is the horse, if you listen they will often tell you when enough is enough.
     
    12-11-2011, 11:27 PM
  #24
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
I don't really need to analyze socalled experts when I can look all around me and see horses every day carrying more than 250 lbs. And yep there is no reasoning with someone who has first hand experience seeing with my own eyes many many horses carrying over 250 lbs and the ability to think for myself.
In fact in the 16th-18th century there was actually a unit of measure called a "horseload" which equaled 200lbs of cargo.. not counting the pack equipment. These were horses used to carry way more miles than we will ever ride. Not to mention back in the day there wasnt really much distinction between pony and horse, all were considered horses, with the averages in the 13-14 hand range.
If we listened to these experts they basically say no men should ever be riding western even on a Budweiser Clydesdale. My first horse was a 14.3 QH/ saddle bread cutting horse, carried me over hill and dale until he was retired at about 28, lived into his 30's with no ill effects. I never did a Vulcan mind meld and asked him how he felt though.
Based on my research in military and commerce equine history and what I see around me each and every day , I'm just going to go ahead and raise the big giant BS flag on that one.
Call BS all you like - that is your right. But you are on record for the world to see saying a 900 pound horse can carry 400 pounds, and furthermore you defend it. That speaks for itself...quite clearly...
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    12-11-2011, 11:50 PM
  #25
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Well, the war horses of old were around 15 hands high, and they carried knights in armor. The armor actually only weighed around 50-75 lbs, but added to a 150-180 lb knight and saddle, and you would be in the 250+ range.

Horses used for cavalry in the 1600s carried their own supplies with them, and I've seen calculations that these horses, around 14 hands, carried loads of 300-350 lbs on long days of riding.

One of the studies I saw said that experienced horses changed the way they moved when carrying a heavy load (>30%). They couldn't go as fast, but the adjustment meant their joints had no more strain than otherwise.

Here is some reading for anyone interested:

Heavier Riders' Guide

Horses

How Much Weight Can Your Horse Safely Carry?

http://www.distanceriding.org/php/ar...h/Function.pdf

My 835 lb gelding, who weighed less as a ranch horse, carried a >200 lb guy with 40 lb saddle for 8-12 hour days in the mountains, daily. He would lose weight over the summer, since there was no money for grain & he had to forage while being ridden, but he doesn't seem worse for wear.

Cavalry mounts during the Civil War would regularly be ridden distances of 40-50 miles/day for a week running. They would wear out if pushed any further, but that is use that almost no recreational rider puts their horse thru.

I'd bet there are a lot of cowboys who weigh 225 in their stockings, and they find horses to ride - although I'd bet their horses are conditioned better than a lot of recreational horses.

This photo is of my 5'0" daughter-in-law on Cowboy, but Cowboy is a 13 hand mustang who seems to have no trouble at all with my 175 lbs + 30 lb saddle...has a kind of weird gait, but based on the last 2 weeks, it looks like the little sucker will really go. Wouldn't put anyone over 200 lbs on him, but I'm told he has done it before:

     
    12-12-2011, 01:09 AM
  #26
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It totally depends on the horse, Joe surely you can see that?
I would never put a 250lb person on my skinny TB, but my 290lb husband can ride a draft.
     
    12-12-2011, 06:41 AM
  #27
Green Broke
The statement made was leading experts claim NO HORSE should Ever carry over 250 lbs. That's total BS. Last 5 years of Roscoes life I wouldnt put 50 lbs on him. I imagine the Bush Gardens horses could easily carry well over 600 lbs. That's less than 30 percent in their case.
Assuming health and time for conditioning 250 lbs isnt too much for any animal nowadays labeled "horse" and probably most animals labeled "pony" Just too much historical and first hand eyebball experience all over the world that shows otherwise.
     
    12-12-2011, 07:49 AM
  #28
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
The statement made was leading experts claim NO HORSE should Ever carry over 250 lbs. That's total BS. Last 5 years of Roscoes life I wouldnt put 50 lbs on him. I imagine the Bush Gardens horses could easily carry well over 600 lbs. That's less than 30 percent in their case.
Assuming health and time for conditioning 250 lbs isnt too much for any animal nowadays labeled "horse" and probably most animals labeled "pony" Just too much historical and first hand eyebball experience all over the world that shows otherwise.
I don't know who made that statement, but lots of horses can carry 250 pounds...some can carry the 400 pounds you referenced. But not a 900 pound conventional horse.

The "Bush Gardens" horses, more accurately called Clydesdales, cannot carry as much weight as you think. Drafts cannot carry as large a percentage of their bodyweight as regular horses, just as regular horses canot carry as large a percentage of their bodyweight as mules or burros...different conformations, different capabilities. Obviously a sound and well conformed draft can carry more weight than a sound and well conformed horse, but it can carry less percentage of its body weight. Just because a big draft may weigh twice a horse does not mean it can carry twice the weight.

NorthernMama, both the OP and Joe's post referred to a rider - not pack weight. Horses can carry more pack more weight than rider weight because the weight is distributed over a far greater area of the back, and when packed properly is more stable, and has a much lower center of gravity, all of which cause far less stress. I would still be hesitant to put that much pack weight on a 900 pound horse nonetheless, although with packing, justas with riding, much depends on the distance and terrain to be negotiated.

Lots of large sized people ride, and many of them are very good riders. It always makes me sad when large people don't ride because they feel they are too heavy. There is no reason a 300 or 350 pound person with 50 pounds of tack can't ride...but it needs to be a proper horse, and a 900 pound horse is absolutely not suitable. I would venture to guess that most people know that, but hopefully people new to horses and riding won't get the wrong idea and place themselves and their horse in danger...
     
    12-30-2011, 08:54 AM
  #29
Green Broke
It totally depends on the horse. Really, it's just common sense. My 15.2 hand arab has a very short back and thick bone and he can carry my 230lb trainer and 30lbs of tack without batting an eyelash, at any speed and length.
     
    12-30-2011, 09:42 AM
  #30
mls
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Originally Posted by spookychick13    
It totally depends on the horse. Really, it's just common sense. My 15.2 hand arab has a very short back and thick bone and he can carry my 230lb trainer and 30lbs of tack without batting an eyelash, at any speed and length.

Gosh - don't go throwing common sense into the mix! That just confuses people!
     

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