Originally Posted by GhostwindAppaloosa
I don't know how many people here are into appys. Im sure more are into other breeds but if anyone knows what is and has been going on in ApHC for sometime now you would know that nearly every "Appaloosa" you see .. you'd be hard pressed to find any ACTUAL appaloosas in their pedigree... Example: This horse has several titleholders in the ApHC... but look at his pedigree? See the horses that say "appaloosa" look at what their parents are.. and so on and so on. Chocolatey Appaloosa
ApHC has effectively been allowing breeding the appaloosa out of the appaloosa. They are a breed. Not a color pattern. There is a VERY small percentage of appaloosas that have more than 3 generations of solid appyx appy breeding. And there are only a few farms right now producing appys with 5 generation and 6 generation appys. I believe it is stated scientifically it takes 9 or 10 generations to constitude a purebred... so in that thought. There are NO purebred appaloosas in the world today. That have 9 generations of solid appyxappy breeding.
We've been through this before, but you'd be hard-pressed to find an actual Appaloosa
, anywhere. Why? Because the breed was recreated from colored stock, only. Initially, in the early days of the ApHC and the Appaloosa "breed" as a whole, that was the only requirement. There was some consideration given to type, but not bloodline, and there is wide variance when looking at "foundation" Appaloosas. No consistency at all. They certainly aren't the same as the horses the Nez Perce were breeding, nor are they the same as the spotted Spanish stock. To say that outcrossing to AQHA ruined the breed is to ignore the fact that there was never a breed to begin with, and that outcrossing was allowed from the very beginning. The first registered ApHC horses weren't purebred Appaloosa. There is no such thing as a purebred Appaloosa....now, or then.
That said, I do have a lot of experience with highly foundation-bred ApHC Apps and foundation/Arab crosses. Nice horses, but not exactly the epitome of versatility that's supposed to characterize the breed. And again, nothing resembling the supposed origins of the American Appaloosa. Despite extremely limited QH blood, they resembled colored QH's more than anything else.
Show records? Have any of you been to breed shows? It is a display of who has the most money to hire the best trainer to show their horse so they can secure a win. If flashing money to sway a judges placement on a horse regardless of type or ability is what qualifies a horse to be a great representative of his breed that is not what Im interested in.
It depends on the event. If I am interested in showing my horse, I definitely want its ancestors to have had winning show records. Bloodlines absolutely do matter when breeding for certain events. If I want a sound, sane horse, placings in speed events (no politics there) and trail type classes mean a whole lot. Or if I want a really good trail horse I can ride all day, I'd love to see endurance records (again, that has nothing to do with money or prestige). If I want a horse to work cattle, he **** sure better have a cowy background, and that carries a lot more merit if he has points in team penning/sorting, cutting, working cowhorse, etc. If a horse has not competed against other horses, it's difficult to objectively evaluate how it would
perform against its peers.
See, to me this horse has pretty blech conformation. He's built to overreach, with a weaker back, and short/thick/upright/bull/ewe neck. With his lean composition, I could see him having good endurance, but he sure doesn't look like any kind of athlete (or fancy mover). What has he done, or what is he famous for?