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post #31 of 46 Old 01-11-2013, 03:22 AM
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Speaking of neck conformation, my two year old gelding has the most amazing, arched neck. And he was gelded at 5 months so I know it's not hormones.

Any comments on his neck conformation? I personally love the look of it. I know he's not one of those head-hanging western pleasure types.

He keeps rubbing out his mane, which accentuates the cresty look, but even if his mane were completely shaved off, he would still have this amazing arch to his neck.

I won't tell you his breed right off, because I don't want it to influence how you think it would influence his movement. But if anyone cares to take a guess just based on his conformation, I will tell you what he is. He's an unconventional cross of two American breeds.

I guess what I am wondering is, if anyone wants to take a stab at how his neck/shoulder conformation would influence his movement. I am also happy to report his is not as butt high currently as in that last photo.
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post #32 of 46 Old 01-11-2013, 09:38 AM Thread Starter
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I love the look of this guy. If you told me he was full QH, I wouldn't have asked questions. His jawbone is pretty petite and reminds me of a TWH.

I really like his neck and shoulder. He has a nice slope and his point of shoulder that sits low on his chest. I am going to guess that this guy has some ground covering strides and can really move off that hind end by looking at that big booty and nice hip. He has a slightly higher neck carriage than my mare, and a much better shoulder. He actually reminds me a lot of my first jumper in the front end. That boy could tuck his little knees!

My personal preference is to see some definition in the under side of his neck as it looks VERY muscled in these pictures. He could have a slightly longer neck, but I believe it's the way his head is facing to or from the camera in the shots that alludes to him having a slightly short neck.

I love how large his legs are! He looks like a very substantial horse. I think he and I would get along fabulously!
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post #33 of 46 Old 01-11-2013, 10:16 AM
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With Tiny bringing up the angle of the shoulders,
The halter horse's shoulder is very flat in the front where it should be rounded. Looking at it again, in the photo, his point of shoulder is where the neck and shoulder meet.
In the other horses, even VS Code Red (Cant see "Chex" clearly), the point of shoulder is lower than where the neck connects to the chest.
They all have a similar angle of slope to the shoulder.

What kind of stride would the halter horse have? I am guessing short and unable to get much up and down movement.
Yep on the halter horses movement...up/down stride and a lot of knee.

Being a WP person I prefer a little lower neck/chest tie in. Shoulder angles, length and angle of pasterns...all effect movement. What is key for a WP, which no one has mentioned yet...is the placement of the wither. I like a wither set a little further back. What makes wither placement key is that a GOOD WP "breaks" from the wither. if the wither is set further forward, higher neck/chest tie in, it's hard for the horse to "break' at the wither and the neck will tend to "bow up" instead of being flat during movement.
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Some stay sound enough to be riding horses, but most are predisposed to leg issues since they are so post legged with too much weight for them to carry. I've noticed quite a few die while they are young.
Many ex-halter horses become great roping horses. They drop the weight, get them the RIGHT muscle and training.
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That video of the halter horse is gross. I know some people like that, but his butt is so huge it looks deformed and he can barely reach under him to trot that's why he always breaks to canter.
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post #36 of 46 Old 01-11-2013, 01:17 PM
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IMO none of those horses have functionally well set necks for dressage or jumping.
The base of the neck should be set clearly above the point of the shoulder. The shoulder should be well sloped, allowing the top of the neck to be clearly further back from the base of the neck, allowing the neck to come up, before it goes out. I don't know about WP conformation, but I would not select any of the OP horses for dressage based on their neck conformation.
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post #37 of 46 Old 01-11-2013, 03:00 PM
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Many ex-halter horses become great roping horses. They drop the weight, get them the RIGHT muscle and training.

That's good to hear! I knew the muscle was genetic, but I didn't know how much was genetic.
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Trailhorserider,

I think your black horse is gorgeous. The only thing I'd change if I was God, was to lenghten his neck a tad.

I wonder if he's Morgan x Missouri Fox Trotter?
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I love the look of this guy. If you told me he was full QH, I wouldn't have asked questions. His jawbone is pretty petite and reminds me of a TWH.

I really like his neck and shoulder. He has a nice slope and his point of shoulder that sits low on his chest. I am going to guess that this guy has some ground covering strides and can really move off that hind end by looking at that big booty and nice hip. He has a slightly higher neck carriage than my mare, and a much better shoulder. He actually reminds me a lot of my first jumper in the front end. That boy could tuck his little knees!

My personal preference is to see some definition in the under side of his neck as it looks VERY muscled in these pictures. He could have a slightly longer neck, but I believe it's the way his head is facing to or from the camera in the shots that alludes to him having a slightly short neck.

I love how large his legs are! He looks like a very substantial horse. I think he and I would get along fabulously!
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Trailhorserider,

I think your black horse is gorgeous. The only thing I'd change if I was God, was to lenghten his neck a tad.

I wonder if he's Morgan x Missouri Fox Trotter?
Thanks guys! You guys just about have him nailed.....he sire is a QH and dam is a Missouri Fox Trotter. I don't believe he is gaited, although he LOVES to run and he does seem like he could have a flat-walk like gait between the walk and the trot. There are times when I see him transition from a walk to a trot that he seems like he might have a little something smooth inbetween. Like a flat walk perhaps, but he really didn't get his momma's gait. He has higher head carriage than a purebred QH, but I kind of like it. It makes him look beautiful and proud. And since we are just riding trails, we don't have to conform to a standard.

Just about every horse has something a little less than ideal, and so much of conformation is subjective to the eye of the beholder, depending on personal preference and what the horse will be used for.

That's why I love looking at conformation critiques. There are some universal guidelines, but a lot of it is also subjective depending on what you plan to do with the horse. What is ideal for one discipline may be a disadvantage for another.
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Thank you all for posting my boy! I truly appreciate it. He is turning out to be a fantastic horse with an unbeatable mind. The pictures and video posted of him, however, were back when he had less than 45 rides on him, so I would hope everyone would be fair in recognizing that. We don't ride him everyday; therefore, to date he still has less than 90 rides. However, I can attest to the fact that he IS in fact, a very comfortable ride and is extremely athletic. There aren't too many 3 yr old multiple WC halter stallions out there that you can just ride out through a field, during breeding season, bareback, with less than 90 rides and not get dumped on your butt! lol!
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