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post #1 of 20 Old 04-06-2014, 06:39 AM Thread Starter
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No-Go option for purchase?

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I'm new to this forum, and what a great community it is!
Here posted is a 2.5 year old colt. The lovely movement he inherited from his sire. Sadly he is in my opinion not a canditate for purchase since he has hock problems. Probably bog spavin or OCD. The stud did not check and he lives in a herd with other geldings. What is your opinion of him and the hock problem?







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post #2 of 20 Old 04-06-2014, 12:25 PM
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One would need to know your goals to assess the suitability for your purposes and asking a vet about the hock issue would probably be suggested. He sounds like he would be a gamble. Also would be of concern that he has these issues at such a young age. I personally would pass.
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post #3 of 20 Old 04-06-2014, 03:46 PM
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Twice I have had young horses, one a yearling and the other a two year old, throw bod spa ins/ thoroughpins that were exceedingly unsightly, both on one hock only and both appearing suddenly.

A good chiropractor can set them right both of mine were misaligned over the pelvis, once that was squared up the swellings disappeared,
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post #4 of 20 Old 04-06-2014, 04:13 PM
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Other than his hock issues, I quite like how he is built. Depending on his asking price, I might take the chance.
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post #5 of 20 Old 04-07-2014, 11:02 AM
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If he has OCD he is dead. That is the long and the short of it. Before you take this horse regardless of price have him xrayed by someone competent and see if he has OCD. I bet he does. He looks heavy and very mature for a 2.5 year old.

Look at the size of his left front knee. May be OCD flaring there as well (it usually does, but show up first in the hocks).

No point in even taking the horse home if he has OCD.
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post #6 of 20 Old 04-07-2014, 11:30 AM
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Can you explain OCD. ..?
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post #7 of 20 Old 04-07-2014, 11:38 AM
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OCD does not manifest itself with (what looks like soft tissue swelling)

When a horse or person is misaligned then they adjust their posture to compensate and this puts wear and tear on the joints causing all sorts of problems,

Osteochondritis dissecans (OCD) is a relatively common developmental disease that affects the cartilage and bone in the joints of horses. It causes clinical signs of disease in 5-25% of all horses and can occur in all horse breeds. Cartilage in joints with OCD doesn’t form normally; this causes the cartilage and bone underneath it to become irregular in thickness and weaker than in normal joints. This can cause the development of cartilage and bone flaps that can either remain partially attached to the bone or break off and float around in the joint. These loose flaps and areas of abnormal cartilage and bone cause inflammation in the joint and over time may lead to the development of arthritis. OCD is usually caused by a combination of several factors acting together, including:

Rapid growth and large body size
Nutrition: Diets very high in energy or have an imbalance in trace minerals (low copper diets)
Genetics: Risk of OCD may be partially inherited
Hormonal imbalances: Insulin and thyroid hormones
Trauma and exercise: Trauma (including routine exercise) is often involved in the formation and loosening of the OCD flap
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Can you explain OCD. ..?
Obsessive compulsory disorder - something I certainly do not suffer with which should you visit, you would see!
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the disease is very serious in that it is the growth plats so affected. The abnormal growth of articular cartilage is usually coupled with epiphysitis which is over growth of bones at the growth plates (this is a VERY simplified explanation).

By the time the horse is lame or shows signs of OCD it is too late. The horse's joints are afflicted and often cannot even be pasture sound.

Over feeding young stock.. too fat young stock.. mares that milk like cows and so forth as well as genetics are all thought to be factors. Follow this link:
When Joints Fail: Osteochondrosis | TheHorse.com

Get xrays. If the disease is obvious, do not take on this problem. The end is the same (a dead horse). Here is a photo of a cadaver joint showing the lesions in the cartilage of the weight bearing articular surface.

The other photo is a hock so affected. Looks a little boggy.. and it will get worse to the point where the horse may well be in so much pain he is unable to stand.
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I agree it is serious, but I maintain that the colt in question has a thoroughpin. This os caused through a misalignment and needs to be sorted.

I would say that if he was stood square and a photo taken of him from behind one hip would be lower than the other,
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