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    09-24-2012, 05:36 PM
First, he has a nice long shoulder, but it's definitely *not* perfect for the breed. The angle is too steep. This will limit the extension of his front legs. He has very high withers for a Peruvian, most don't have pronounced withers. Am I seeing a big scar on his shoulder just below the withers or is that something on his coat?

He is of a good weight, not too fat or thin and looks healthy. He seems to have nice bone and his front legs look good and straight.

He's long through the loin, but he has a nice hip angle, long croup and proper tailset. I'd like to see more muscle on his gaskin. He's a bit higher in the hocks than I'd like - by the way this breed does NOT have hock problems.

Like you, I don't care for his neck. Too short for me.

One thing I want to make clear - Peruvian Horses DON'T PADDLE. Paddling and winging are different things and are caused by conformational faults.

These definitions are taken from a great book on horse conformation called Equine Photos & Drawings for Conformation & Anatomy:

If the horse is toed-in , the foot deviates outward as it advances. This motion called "paddling", strains the sides of the joints, although the horse usually does not interfere.

If the horse is toed-out the foot deviates inward as it advances. This "Winging-in" motions leaves the inside of the opposite foreleg vulnerable to interference.

What Peruvians have is called Termino. It is not due to a conformational fault in the lower legs. The motion originates in the shoulder.
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    09-25-2012, 01:36 PM

The marks you see were just hair missing from screwing around with the other horses.
He does have a scar from a bite on the other side though.
The ones you see grew hair right back.
    10-17-2012, 05:06 PM
Wearsnear, it is not paddling. That is a conformational fault in any breed. A Peruvian has termino, which might look like paddling to the untrained eye. It is a lateral rolling movenent in the front legs that orginates in the shoulder.
I also don't know what you are talking about when you refer to hock problems being common. I know many Peruvians and don't know any with hock problems. One of the strong points of the breed is soundness. The DSLD disorder occurs in many breeds but the so called "research" paper about it was done on Peruvians. It could have been done on any breed. The researchers just picked Peruvians. It was a very poorly done research project that has for years blackened the reputation of the Peruvian horse
    10-18-2012, 04:55 AM
Just how bad was that research? This bad:

Originally Posted by G8tdh0rse    
The DSLD disorder occurs in many breeds but the so called "research" paper about it was done on Peruvians. It could have been done on any breed. The researchers just picked Peruvians. It was a very poorly done research project that has for years blackened the reputation of the Peruvian horse
I'm glad you brought this up. The original "research" done on dsld was not a study at all. It was simply a data search query that was run to extract information from the Veterinary Medical Data Program used by 29 veterinary school hospitals in North America. The query was run on data gathered over a 10-year period from 1987 to 1997 on all "breeds" brought in to those veterinary hospitals. Some of those "breeds" are "grade horses", "foreign warmbloods", "Pintos" and "hunters".

Again, this was simply a data search - no horses were ever examined for this project.

The query specifically searched for the following diagnoses: Suspensory Ligament Desmitis, Suspensory Ligament Rupture, Suspensory Ligament Sprain, and Suspensory Ligament Laxity. At the time this query was run these were the only codes for suspensory ligament disease in the veterinary computer database.

In other words, anything and everything that affected the suspensory ligaments of these horses got lumped together under the heading "suspensory disease". Suspensory rupture is not a disease. Suspensory strain is not a disease.

After the data was extracted by "breed", the number of horses diagnosed with any of the suspensory problems listed above was compared to the number of horses of each breed that were brought in to the veterinary hospitals for any problem. It was claimed that "That normalizes the percentages to the number of horses in the population." No, it doesn't. It only compares horses that have been diagnosed with suspensory problems to horses that have been diagnosed with other health problems at those veterinary hospitals. It does not compare the number of horses with "suspensory problems" to the population of healthy horses or to the total population of horses of each breed.

This was a very flawed "research project" that was used as the basis for even more flawed "research". And yes, this nonsense is still being used to blacken the reputation of the breed.
    10-18-2012, 08:57 AM
I would love to see more pictures of this guy. Maybe being ridden??? I have a feeling he looks completely different undersaddle and using his body.
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    10-23-2012, 02:57 PM
I wish I had someone to get pics of us riding! He stands tall and is all of the sudden super beautiful lol
    10-23-2012, 03:13 PM
Sorry, I don't know the correct terms for the gaits, I was told paddling by the owner but she wasn't knowledgable about the breed either, lol. As for for the hock problems, I was told something in the back legs & figured hocks but was probably the condition mentioned above. I have video of me riding her but it in the old VHS format, I need to figure out how to get that transferred to my pc, if anyone knows?
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