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    01-03-2012, 12:03 AM
  #1
Foal
Please critique this stallion!!

This is our new boy we just bought "Strait Starbuck Robin" who is a son of Multiple World Champion and six-time APHA Superior Award Winner, Strait From Texas (APHA Superior awards are in Reining, Working Cowhorse, Heading and Heeling, Calf Roping & Steer Stopping).

Strait s being shown in Reining and Working Cow horse! Many of his offspring are being trained and shown in Reining and working cow horse as well, with 2 doing trick riding!!

Let me know what you think

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    01-03-2012, 11:20 AM
  #2
Foal
He's a chunk for sure! I like the first picture. I miss green grass LOL I'm sooo ready for spring!

I love his hip and he has sturdy legs in my opinion. Slightly long in the back but nothing to sneeze at. A little thick in the throat latch and his muzzle is a tad short, but other than that, he's a doll.
     
    01-03-2012, 11:26 AM
  #3
Started
To me he looks slightly downhill and as TheMadHatter said, is a little thick in the throat latch. I think he is a gorgeous boy!
     
    01-03-2012, 11:28 AM
  #4
Trained
I really hate to burst your bubble but IMO he's not stud quality.

Downhill built which isn't SUCH a bad thing in a paint but I'd still choose a level horse any day. Upright shoulder, light on bone, and there's just something about his hindquarter that puts me off, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is. He looks like he tends to stand a little camped out behind.

I'd have him tested for lethal white. To me he looks tobiano, splash and frame, and as you'll know, frame IS the lethal white gene. He's also kind of bulkier than I'd expect considering he doesn't look especially fit so I would have him tested for HYPP too.

He would make a lovely gelding but as a mare owner I wouldn't breed to him... JMO.
     
    01-03-2012, 11:37 AM
  #5
Started
I'm not the best at conformation, so I don't really understand what you mean by upright shoulder, blue eyed pony.. Could you try to explain that to me?
     
    01-03-2012, 11:46 AM
  #6
Trained
Let me try to find a photo of a horse with a good shoulder.


Actually the above is a horse I really like all round, notwithstanding the less substantial legs and excessively sloped pasterns.

The sloped back shoulder is good, it allows great forward reach and therefore better extensions in the dressage arena and at times a better tuck over fences (though not always - a slightly upright shoulder can be an asset as it allows greater scope for the blade to rotate back thus allowing a higher tuck of the knees). An upright shoulder makes for a choppier, shorter stride, and increased concussion on both horse and rider.

OP's horse is also short through the humerus (in other words, from point of shoulder to elbow) further increasing the shortening effect of the upright shoulder on the stride. I would imagine OP's horse would be severely limited in English disciplines and will not easily make a comfortable ride.

Hope that helps and I haven't confused you more!
     
    01-03-2012, 12:01 PM
  #7
Started
That does make sense :) I compared the 2 pictures and now I see what you mean. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me!
     
    01-03-2012, 12:11 PM
  #8
Trained
No problem :)

I find that different conformation is desirable for different disciplines. A jumper should not look like a reiner should not look like a western pleasure horse should not look like a dressage horse. Different horses for different courses, always. So, as a jumping rider, there are VERY few horses of traditionally Western breeds that I like, because a Western horse will not be built like a jumper. But hey - I know nothing about Western disciplines so OP's horse could be considered ideal for at least one of them, and I wouldn't have a clue.
     
    01-03-2012, 02:03 PM
  #9
Started
I agree with Blue Eyed Pony. In addition to being on the upright side of things his shoulder looks a little "lacking in definition" to me. His neck is a tad short and throatlatch is thick. He looks choppy and not very.... "flexible" (I am not sure if that's the word I'm looking for). As said he is down hill. He does have a nice high neck set and his back is a little long but decent. I like his head, he looks like a nice sturdy work horse, very flashy color and he would make a fantastic gelding.
     
    01-03-2012, 02:29 PM
  #10
Trained
That lack of shoulder definition is what's making me think the horse is probably unfit, NI. The shoulder should be well-defined in a fit horse at good weight, and I have seen FAT horses with good shoulder definition but they were very fit as well, just kept on the heavier side to ensure that they still looked good at the end of a hard showing season.

Also, in the "clean" photo, he gives an overall impression of "fat".

I do agree, though, that he would be a great gelding. Not so much a stallion IMO as there is a much higher standard of quality available and this horse mostly seems to cater to the "coloured" market which just perpetuates the thousands of unwanted horses being born every year and ultimately neglected, abused or slaughtered.

All that being said I think there are about four horses I know of that I would consider to be of breeding quality conformationally, and two that I would personally breed to given the right mare. I am picky. IMO a horse must be exceptional in conformation, temperament and performance before it should even be considered for breeding. If even one is lacking, I'll keep looking. I love me some colour, don't get me wrong (my yearling is buckskin and there's a nice tobiano stallion I'm eyeing off to maybe breed a sport pony one day - and another tobiano stallion I'm eyeing off to maybe breed MYSELF a show horse), but with breeding, you breed the best to the best and hope for the best. Colour's just the icing on the cake. And, not knowing the frame status of my filly (though I strongly doubt she carries it due to showing no outward traits that can't be explained by splashed white, which she almost certainly has in a minimal expression), I won't breed to anything that looks, or has been tested, as OLWS positive.

YES, there will always be that market for a steady, dependable child's/trail mount, but I feel that if we make temperament one of our top priorities in breeding for good performance animals, we will still have the "duds" that don't or can't perform for whatever reason, and it is those that would make up the pleasure market. And no matter what we do there will always be those backyard breeders who will breed anything to anything if they think it'll make them a buck.

Of course it's all just my opinion but to be honest I'd geld this horse on suspected frame alone. Sure, it's pretty (one of my fav patterns actually) but I don't like how it can and does hide. Frame usually doesn't express much, if at all, on a horse that doesn't have at least one other pinto gene. So should we test every horse no matter its colour or breed? Can you imagine how much that would cost horse owners the world over? Apparently frame doesn't exist in Arabians (or Welsh, there are several breeds so take your pick) but it was only a few years ago that we thought silver didn't exist in QH, and there is a silver bay QH standing at stud here in Aus now so that pretty much proves us all wrong. How many breeds carry genes we don't know about?

Anyway. Excuse the rant, it's half past two in the morning and I'm kind of in the mood for long and wandering musings at the moment. Time for bed I think.
     

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