That lack of shoulder definition is what's making me think the horse is probably unfit, NI. The shoulder should be well-defined in a fit horse at good weight, and I have seen FAT horses with good shoulder definition but they were very fit as well, just kept on the heavier side to ensure that they still looked good at the end of a hard showing season.
Also, in the "clean" photo, he gives an overall impression of "fat".
I do agree, though, that he would be a great gelding. Not so much a stallion IMO as there is a much higher standard of quality available and this horse mostly seems to cater to the "coloured" market which just perpetuates the thousands of unwanted horses being born every year and ultimately neglected, abused or slaughtered.
All that being said I think there are about four horses I know of that I would consider to be of breeding quality conformationally, and two that I would personally breed to given the right mare. I am picky. IMO a horse must be exceptional in conformation, temperament and performance before it should even be considered for breeding. If even one is lacking, I'll keep looking. I love me some colour, don't get me wrong (my yearling is buckskin and there's a nice tobiano stallion I'm eyeing off to maybe breed a sport pony one day - and another tobiano stallion I'm eyeing off to maybe breed MYSELF a show horse), but with breeding, you breed the best to the best and hope for the best. Colour's just the icing on the cake. And, not knowing the frame status of my filly (though I strongly doubt she carries it due to showing no outward traits that can't be explained by splashed white, which she almost certainly has in a minimal expression), I won't breed to anything that looks, or has been tested, as OLWS positive.
YES, there will always be that market for a steady, dependable child's/trail mount, but I feel that if we make temperament one of our top priorities in breeding for good performance animals, we will still have the "duds" that don't or can't perform for whatever reason, and it is those that would make up the pleasure market. And no matter what we do there will always be those backyard breeders who will breed anything to anything if they think it'll make them a buck.
Of course it's all just my opinion but to be honest I'd geld this horse on suspected frame alone. Sure, it's pretty (one of my fav patterns actually) but I don't like how it can and does hide. Frame usually doesn't express much, if at all, on a horse that doesn't have at least one other pinto gene. So should we test every horse no matter its colour or breed? Can you imagine how much that would cost horse owners the world over? Apparently frame doesn't exist in Arabians (or Welsh, there are several breeds so take your pick) but it was only a few years ago that we thought silver didn't exist in QH, and there is a silver bay QH standing at stud here in Aus now so that pretty much proves us all wrong. How many breeds carry genes we don't know about?
Anyway. Excuse the rant, it's half past two in the morning and I'm kind of in the mood for long and wandering musings at the moment. Time for bed I think.
A CLEAN SLATE FOR THE FUTURE
Last edited by blue eyed pony; 01-03-2012 at 01:32 PM.