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post #11 of 18 Old 01-03-2012, 01:40 PM
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Congratulations on your acquisition. His sire is quite the horse.

I don't know enough about reining conformation to comment. Hopefully NHRAreiner will pick up the thread. Like her, I prefer to see a strong mare line, and I don't see much there, but she is the expert...
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post #12 of 18 Old 01-04-2012, 12:24 AM
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this has to be said "blue eyed pony" i have been reading a few other posts and notice how you say this stallion isnt breeding material, geld etc... who are you to tell someone to geld their stallion? i noticed you have thrown down many horses which are not that bad.. What is your discipline? personally this stallion is not bad, hes chunky yes, and he is a little down hill, but where do you get off telling the op is breeding for color? the op stated his foals are in reining and working cow, so maybe he is correct for that.. Just because something doesn't suit what you are looking for there is no need to go on peoples threads and rant about stuff... Not to mention say the op is breeding for color.. how do you know that? There might be people out there who would like to breed to him and get foals off of him and if he is reining and working cow he must be somewhat ok in the standards to be doing it and selling offspring for the same purpose.. IMO people should comment in horses of their own discipline.. especially if you don't know about the discipline the op's horse is in.... But hey that's just MY OPINION..

@ Op - i do not see to much wrong with him, yes he is a bit downhill, and he is on the fatter side, does have a thicker throat latch but with some good work outs etc that can be corrected overall I like him and i am sure he has probably produced some nice foals..
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post #13 of 18 Old 01-04-2012, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by blue eyed pony View Post
Let me try to find a photo of a horse with a good shoulder.

actually the above is a horse I really like all round, notwithstanding the less substantial legs and excessively sloped pasterns.

The sloped back shoulder is good, it allows great forward reach and therefore better extensions in the dressage arena and at times a better tuck over fences (though not always - a slightly upright shoulder can be an asset as it allows greater scope for the blade to rotate back thus allowing a higher tuck of the knees). An upright shoulder makes for a choppier, shorter stride, and increased concussion on both horse and rider.

OP's horse is also short through the humerus (in other words, from point of shoulder to elbow) further increasing the shortening effect of the upright shoulder on the stride. I would imagine OP's horse would be severely limited in English disciplines and will not easily make a comfortable ride.

Hope that helps and I haven't confused you more!
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post #14 of 18 Old 01-04-2012, 01:27 AM Thread Starter
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Strait is fat, lol I know that but he also hasn't been rode or worked since spring time, we are going to get him back into beeing worked out and a better feed program so hope that helps. We just got him and this is the condidtion he was bought in, I hope to get him in better shape. His foals have been used in reining and working cow and we have heard notthing but good, he produces great minded foals and yes they might have color but WE didn't just buy for color he has a great disposition and couldn't be happier with him he is not HYPP and not lethal white.

Not sure if I got this correct but was I called a backyard breeder??
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post #15 of 18 Old 01-04-2012, 06:17 AM
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Waresbear I don't actually know... just a random photo of a horse I found on google that I liked. It's a danish warmblood or something.

OP - It was not my intention to call anybody a backyard breeder, but you will want to be careful what mares you accept as with his colour you may get a lot of people who want to breed their mare to your stud purely to get a pretty patchy baby. It's great he's not HYPP or OLW, certainly looks to me like he shows a fair few frame traits but if he's tested negative then clearly he's not carrying frame but rather a combination of other pinto genes that are causing the appearance of the traits. It was his face marking that bothered me - wanting to spread out on top above the eyes, but avoiding the ears, is one trait considered pretty typical of frame.

I am sorry, I word things terribly when it's late at night. I really must stay off the computer past 10pm.

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Originally Posted by cowboy1393 View Post
i have been reading a few other posts and notice how you say this stallion isnt breeding material, geld etc... who are you to tell someone to geld their stallion?
Actually this is a public board. So people are free to voice the opinion whether someone likes it or not, especially in "Critique" section.

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I'd like to see better head to neck proportion, but I am more of a gaited person.
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I will tell you something, not saying it's true or not, however every high end paint breeder I know has told me this....

Most of the best quality paints have the lethal white gene.

Also a trainer I know & respect told me this as well. Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but I will say, all the homozeygous(sp?) studs I have seen haven't impressed me any. Every paint horse I have been wowed by is LW.
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