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  • Tennessee walking horses that are calf kneed
  • Buck kneed stallion

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    01-06-2012, 02:05 AM
  #11
Foal
Yeah I def need to get some better pics of him, and plan to do so in the spring. If anyone wants to see a few other pics of him (which still arent the best lol) And more info on him you can go to A Gamblers Dream | Facebook and check it out. And if you "like" his page it will be easier to update anyone who wants to see new pics when I get them. So feel free to check it out and let me know what you think. And thanks so far to every1 who has posted.
     
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    01-06-2012, 02:55 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by settergal83    
I have seen the horse in person. He's not Calf kneed it's just the picture making him look so. He's not used to 'parking out" and wasn't pulled up but rocking back on his haunch more that what he should be.
The other photos confirm that he is significantly calf-kneed. Tied in behind the knee, as well, and fined boned (and looks like he might turn out / be crooked there?), with overall structurally very weak front legs. The rest of him is nice and appealing, to my uneducated-in-gaited-horses eyes, but those front legs alone would preclude me from ever considering him as a breeding animal or even a serious performance prospect....too much of a risk for lameness issues due to overstressing the tendons.



     
    01-06-2012, 03:05 AM
  #13
Foal
He is quite nice on the eyes. His conformation looks to be intact and correct. The only thing I would point out is that he drops his fetlocks which some like to see that in twh's. Some good bloodlines as well!
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    01-06-2012, 03:13 AM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
The other photos confirm that he is significantly calf-kneed. Tied in behind the knee, as well, and fined boned (and looks like he might turn out / be crooked there?), with overall structurally very weak front legs. The rest of him is nice and appealing, to my uneducated-in-gaited-horses eyes, but those front legs alone would preclude me from ever considering him as a breeding animal or even a serious performance prospect....too much of a risk for lameness issues due to overstressing the tendons.



Yes he is does look fine boned on the front side however Arabians are know for their thin refined look and are among the top endurance and competition horses. On the ranch were my horse is kept we have a QH/Arab that is calf-kneed and thin that is a top cutting and endurance trail horse. When considering such horses for breeding you need to look at their history of work as well as conformation.

To be perfectly honest I wouldn't mind see what the foal between him and the solid sorrel mare I'm trying to get would look like.
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    01-06-2012, 01:09 PM
  #15
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He seems to be of the "newer" model of TWHs. I had the older style which was massive in size (only about 16 hands) but wider then a mac truck and muscular as all get out. My new mare is of the finer bone structure. Her front legs are straighter but her overal body structure is close to this gentleman. My vet really liked her confirmation so my assumption would be, other then the slight calf-knee, he's a nice looking horse.
     
    01-06-2012, 06:03 PM
  #16
Yearling
Wow. He is STUNNING =) I certainly would not mind having one of his foals. I'll leave the conformation to the experts, but he REALLY caught my eye.
     
    01-06-2012, 06:34 PM
  #17
Started
What a looker! And all that hair, wow!

He looks difficult to keep clean

Agreed with Bubba, after seeing the additional photos posted he does appear calf-kneed & tied in behind the knee which would keep me from using him as a serious breeding animal as well. His "fine features" do not bother me at all and I think the rest of him is very lovely (with my very limited knowledge of the gaited horse)
     
    01-07-2012, 02:39 AM
  #18
Foal
I wonder too if a proper trim wouldn't help too. And to be honest, pictures may say 1000 words but seeing is believing. Another thing to consider, if you have ever tried to photograph an animal you know it's not as easy as it looks. This would appear not to be professionally taken.. Camera angle can have alot to do with how an animal appears. As I stated I have seen this Stallion in real life and never noticed him being "calf-kneed" before. Either way check his feet to be sure he's trimmed correctly.
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    01-07-2012, 02:43 AM
  #19
Foal
I would also question how much everyone knows about the TWH as a breed. They aren't built quite the same as your typical stock breeds. Just throwing it out there...not trying to start anything. However you can't "judge" a breed of horse the same as another. It's like comparing a Shetland to a Shire..just a thought.
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    01-07-2012, 02:53 AM
  #20
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I could forgive one photo. But when multiple photos in multiple stances from multiple angles show the same fault, you can be pretty certain it actually exists. You can't see his hooves very well in the photos, but they certainly don't look excessively long or imbalanced.

Calf knees are calf knees are calf knees....in Tennessee Walkers, Foxtrotters, Thoroughbreds, Clydesdales, and, well, calves. Excessive strain is placed on the supporting tendons and structures in every case (save for cattle, of course, with are naturally built that way), and those soft tissues are then prone to stress and tearing during even normal movement due to hyperextension. There's a reason that "back at the knee" is considered one of the worst conformation flaws when it comes to impacting soundness.

In fact, read this from a TWH website:

The opposite condition to buck-knees is "back at the knees" or calf kneed (Figure 8). This conformation fault is extremely serious and many calf-kneed horses do not stay sound. This condition positions knees that are set behind or back in the horse's leg. Calf-knees allow the knees to bend backwards (hyperextend) and predispose the horse to unsoundness.FULL ARTICLE

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