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post #1 of 44 Old 02-14-2012, 04:08 AM Thread Starter
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Possible Buy Grulla Colt

Well saw this guy the other day and fell in love with him. He is has black grulla color as they call it, not too familiar with it. Looking for him to be in all around western pleasure horse. What do you all think? Nothing to really judge too much conformation, it's dark in the arena. If you skip to the end of the video they do a walk around of him to judge his conformation. For $800 I'm thinking it's not a bad deal and he is registered with the AQHA. I'm going to go out and see him by the end of the week and I will get some more pictures!



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post #2 of 44 Old 02-14-2012, 08:26 AM
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I am no good at conformation yet, but I love baby horses and he is so cute lol
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post #3 of 44 Old 02-14-2012, 08:29 AM
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I've always loved the color. BTW, typically, grullo is male, grulla is female.

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post #4 of 44 Old 02-14-2012, 12:21 PM
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I've always loved the color. BTW, typically, grullo is male, grulla is female.

Really? I've never heard of that, just used either/or as they came out. Learn something new every day.
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post #5 of 44 Old 02-14-2012, 04:05 PM
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OH MY LORD! I could just eat him up with a spoon!

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post #6 of 44 Old 02-15-2012, 09:43 AM
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I would avoid this one. First off, he doesn't look grullo to me, he looks just plain old black (Would be interested to know what colour the sire is). This tells me the breeder/owner doesn't know as much as they should about breeding horses. Big red flag IMO.

Secondly, who sits a kid on a weanling? Then lunges the poor baby? That's just asking for problems. This looks like a baby with a lot of "un-learning" to do before he can start learning again.

Thirdly, his conformation doesn't look that spectacular from what I can see.
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In the video it's kind of hard to get a good idea of what he really looks like. It'll be easier to tell once he sheds out. I don't agree with Chiilaa about the color. From what little I can see, he does appear to have "frosting" in his mane & tail which is one of the "dun factors". Once he sheds, it'll be easier to see if he has any leg barring, shadowing, webbing, etc. all which help determine the buckskin/dun/grullo breed-color. Many, if not most of the grullo's I've seen, actually do look 100% black, you have to looke VERY close to see the dun factor.

As for confirmation, it depends on what you plan on using him for. If it's going to be a trail horse, he's a possibility. BUT, he seems very stiff/short strided in the back. I also noticed that the top of his hip is very angular. If you look at him from the side, he looks like he has a triangle on top of his butt. From personal experience, this can cause a lot of problems. So be ready to spend $$ on a chiropractor so he stays sound if you plan on using him for heavy riding.
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I am almost 100% certain that this foal is NOT grullo. I am still interested to know what colour the sire is before I say completely certain. However, the foal is the wrong colour for a grullo, and the right colour for black. Look at this link for more pictures of grullo babies.

Dun Central Station - Grulla Colors & Markings

Another link, showing direct comparison of black foals with various dilutes. Again, the foal listed in the OP matches to the black, not the grullo.

Dun Central Station - Black, Smoky Black, Grulla Foal Color Comparison

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I am almost 100% certain that this foal is NOT grullo. I am still interested to know what colour the sire is before I say completely certain. However, the foal is the wrong colour for a grullo, and the right colour for black. Look at this link for more pictures of grullo babies.

Dun Central Station - Grulla Colors & Markings

Another link, showing direct comparison of black foals with various dilutes. Again, the foal listed in the OP matches to the black, not the grullo.

Dun Central Station - Black, Smoky Black, Grulla Foal Color Comparison
I agree with you that with the pictures & video it is hard to be 100% certain, and to be 100% certain you do need to know the genetics. I'm not trying to be a brat, honest! I get kind of defensive about the color breeds (I was disqualified for several Quarter Horse halter classes back in the day, because "a buckskin is not a true QH". And a very loud paint I used to show, lost classes to a QH with no paint genetics and only a 2" spot on the cheek (skin wasn't even a different color)) I've been trying to find some old pictures of horses I used to show against on the IBHA (buckskin circuit) that were registered as grullo, and by looking at them you could've sworn they were black! But I guess that was to long ago to find any digital pictures (it was back in the '90's):P But I did find some pictures on the IBHA world show website that you can see horses that look black, no frosting, dorsal, or anything that you can see from the shots. I know that IBHA/ABRA is very particular on what they consider buckskin/dun/grullo.
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To be frank, using any registry body as a yard stick for horse colours is just setting up for being wrong. They are so outdated and behind that it is ridiculous. Like you said, they are just all over the place with what they will accept and what they will call it. Look at the AQHA even now - they register cremellos, but not perlino or smoky cream...
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