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post #21 of 44 Old 02-17-2012, 01:21 AM
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Brown in dark colored mane and tails is mostly due to sun bleaching, my buckskin mare has it to a degree:



Not saying it couldn't happen in the actual coat pattern, but I've never seen it other than being sunbleached.
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post #22 of 44 Old 02-17-2012, 01:25 AM
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Sticking by the "not grullo" opinion for sure now.

Foals often have a false dorsal, and other dun related markings, even non-dun foals. These primitive markings are part of a foal's camouflage. At the end of the day, dun is a DILUTE gene, it makes the horse's colour lighter. There are extreme cases that can appear to be normal coloured bays etc, but they are the exception, not the norm.

As far as "black grulla" goes, all grullas are black. There is some variation within the colour, but they are all just "grulla". It's the same as the difference between light bay and blood bay - shades of the same. They will still have the lightening of the body, and the primitive markings associated with dun factor.
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post #23 of 44 Old 02-17-2012, 01:26 AM Thread Starter
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After some digging I was able to find a picture of his SIRE, cannot find anything from the Dams side besides normal pedigree information. Wishing I could find a picture. Sorry it's so small that was as big as it went! Still voting with most of you on here that he's not "grullo" ...


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post #24 of 44 Old 02-17-2012, 09:43 AM
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Exactly what Chiilaa said. "black" grulla is just a marketing term.

IMO the colt is black, not grulla.
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post #25 of 44 Old 02-17-2012, 06:42 PM
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How old is he, exactly?

From what I watched, he looks like the definition of a fugly yearling with poor breeding and training. I have no idea as to why they're lunging this early, if you can even call it that. Letting him canter around on a rope in circles, bucking and tossing his head is not what I would classify as lunging.

That aside though, its really just hard to tell. Not only because of the dark arena, but because of those winter fuzzies. My miniature horse tends to look like some sort of freakazoid pony during the winter months with every conformation error in the book, but when you shave her down she's actually a very decent little animal. He also wasn't squared and kept dancing around in the video. I did see poor LS joint placement, upright shoulders, toeing out in the back, and butt-highness. The butt high feature is totally normal for his age, and his legs might correct themselves a bit, but the other things will most likely not go away.

All in all, I wouldn't buy him even as an all-arounder, simply because he's already had a lot of bad manners drilled into his head and he thinks they're 'A-OK' right now. However, I won't say that for sure until I've seen better pictures. Its really just all together hard to see him in the video.

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If you go and see guy and he looks like he actually has some "dun factor" make sure you rub him real good... I had a similair situation I went to see a little filly in Ohio ( a 4 hour drive for me) and the people were so desperate to sell her they used Show color enhanceing spray to literally paint on dun factor. The sad part was it looked legit, and I wouldn't even have known it was fake if I hadn't of rubbed my hand down her neck... her beautiful chocolate brown barring came off. Long story short alot of "breeders" think their hot stuff and they produce champion foals... when really they are are just back yard breeders that give themselves a fancy title to make up for all the crap that they tell you. A good breeder wouldnt be pushing the "Oh my foal is sooo Rare" card as hard as this person seems to be, they would let the foal speak for itself. Im not saying this specific foal couldn't be worth a trip, because I've seen some great things come out of a terrible situation. I've seen some pretty odd shades of Grullo/Grulla, but IMO he definitely doesn't look it! Good luck with this little guy! Hope all turns out well :)
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Anyone ever seen a mouse in their life time? That is grullo, but this colt certainly is not grullo. Even an untrained eye can see that. He is bleached out, making it hard for me to tell whether he is brown or black. Though because Chilla has said he is black, that is probably the case.

If he interests you, go for him. He isn't something to write home about, but he isn't unappealing.

With the lunge (spelling?) line part... um? They should have just left that out of there and practiced their skills a little bit. :/ I've seen worse people at vo-tech do that better. I see nothing wrong with lunging a yearling.. Heck, at vo-tech we lunge weanlings. Just.. know what you are doing before you do it.
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Did you go look at him yet? What did you think?
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I don't care if he's grullo, black, green, or purple. His hindquarters are really weird. His hip angle looks off to me and he looks sickle-hocked. Poor leg conformation makes me nervous. I'd pass on this one.

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Have not gone out yet, the lady selling him is really beginning to go overboard. She continues to email and call, preaching the "rare black grullo" it's just crazy. I wish like some of you had said, she'd let him speak for himself so to say..It is a far drive, but the more she continues to go on, the more it turns me away. We'll see what happens in the next few weeks still waiting on the new pictures and video.
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