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#1 ·
Here he is, the owner doesn't say much. I won't buy without a ride and what not. How does he look to you guys?

quarter horse for sale
 
#3 ·
Here he is, the owner doesn't say much. I won't buy without a ride and what not. How does he look to you guys?

quarter horse for sale
He looks a bit like a stallion to me, and his thick neck adds to my thought - plus who ties a horses head to the roof (at least that's what it looks like in the second picture).

He could be a great horse but you'd have to check him out.
 
#4 ·
He looks like a stallion to me, and his thick neck adds to my thought - plus who ties a horses head to the roof (at least that's what it looks like).

He could be a great horse but I'd question what I mentioned above.
It's definitely a little weird, I always check for their nads when I go see them in person! Though the lack of information on him makes me want to be extra cautious.
 
#7 ·
The first one looks like a stud to me too...and I doubt he's a registered QH with that coloring. He appears to be calf kneed and his shoulder is a bit upright. He's pretty straight through his hind end too.

The second does appear to be pretty long through his back, but that could just be the angle of the pictures. The thing that raises red flags to me about that one is that "he's got a lot of power" and the fact that the owner claims to be training him for barrels. That, to me, hints that he might be pretty hot blooded/chargey.
 
#22 ·
The first one looks like a stud to me too...and I doubt he's a registered QH with that coloring. He appears to be calf kneed and his shoulder is a bit upright. He's pretty straight through his hind end too.

The second does appear to be pretty long through his back, but that could just be the angle of the pictures. The thing that raises red flags to me about that one is that "he's got a lot of power" and the fact that the owner claims to be training him for barrels. That, to me, hints that he might be pretty hot blooded/chargey.
I have a mare that looks like a stud. LOL
 
#8 ·
No way that sorrel is 16.3hh, even if the guy riding him is 6'3". I'd believe 15.2-15.3hh, but definitely not 16.3hh. That right there kind of makes me wary of the seller. I don't know...just a red flag for me.
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#9 ·
First horse looks like he may be owned by a charro. They have a thing about tying horse's heads up like that. He looks like he would be a good horse, he may be hot if he is a charro horse but that would mostly be feed related.

The second horse is LONG! Like bus long.
 
#11 ·
I would be really careful with the first one-even "checking for nads"-remember-he could be crypt. He is definitely well fed, that is for sure. I would be anxious to get more info and probably would go see both. I believe in kissing lots of frogs. Look and learn. ;-)
 
#12 ·
First horse is a paint, not a QH and he is body heavy and leg light. I bet he is not good about being tied considering how he is tied. He is straight thru the hocks and looks a bit back at the knee. Flashy color....

Second horse is for real. A little down hill in build but what a nice nice animal from those pictures. Love to see the pedigree. With all that Cash he may be very quick on barrels. Looking at him I suggest his limitations will be related to his handling and training, not to his ability. Sooo.. train him well if you get him. He looks awesome.
 
#14 ·
Hmmm....
Couple of things I would do:
1.) Check if that first one is a stallion or not. Looks it.
2.) Check that the second one isn't a stallion either. He doesn't look it, but add doesn't say if its a gelding or a stallion. Just says its a 'he'.


That first one isn't a quarter horse by any means ;)
 
#17 ·
I'd be very, very cautious about who owns/trains any horse that you buy in this area. I see that both horses are located in Houston/Katy which is where I live so I am familiar with the trainers and owners in the area. Many, many horses (especially on craigslist) have been Hispanic trained, and while the horse itself may be good, the training often leaves a lot to be desired. Especially since they tend to move very fast, not go through the basics, and use force (strong bits, tie downs, etc) to get the animals to work. Not all of them do ofcourse, but I have seen far too many Hispanic trained horses in this area that were ruined to not be wary.

Is there a particular reason that you are looking on Craigslist? The second gelding is very nice if he truly is as nice of a ride as they say he is, but I wouldn't touch that first horse with a ten foot pole.

What are you looking for besides a hot/spirited horse? Age, gender, finished, green broke, started on the pattern? I have a few barrel racing friends in the area who might be able to get you some good contacts, and one way to look for a horse is going to some of the rodeo meets in magnolia, katy, waller, etc., because then you can see the horse running the pattern for yourself, and if the animal is for sale most of the time the more experienced racers/sellers are willing to let you try the horse.
 
#18 ·
I love the look of the paint. Yeah, I may not be a great person to ask about correct conformation, but he is what I look for in a horse. Stocky, powerhouse, thick legs. To me he looks pretty well put together, and could get around those barrels quickly... as well as rope a bull lol :D I'd go look at him anyway, hope he isn't a stud yet.
 
#19 ·
My mare was Hispanic (charro trained) and shes ok (had some issues but she was not willing to take the abuse). Some can be hard to handle but some are trained and worked to where they can have kids ride them. I DONT agree with their methods but they can build a horse up good -_-'.
 
#20 · (Edited)
^ I believe it is actually preferable to have a small, catty horse for barrels as opposed to the tank-like build that is looked for in, say, a ranch horse or a heeler. A larger, stockier animal will have more trouble centering itself and pressing into the turn.

Actually if that second horse IS 16.3hh (which, as others said, is HIGHLY questionable) I might reconsider wanting him for a barrel horse. The bigger the animal it is, the harder it is for it to get down and dig in. That doesn't mean they CAN'T, just that its harder.

Kiger, perhaps the charros in your area are different than in mine. It is very typical to see 'dancing' horses here, the stallions are very rarely gelded because being a stud gives them 'spirit' which is greatly sought after in this type of riding, and 7-10 inch curbs (TWH type bits) on three year olds, tied by the reins to their saddle with their head cranked back to learn bit submission, is the norm. The horses obey, and display fiery beauty, but to any professional horse man the abuse is obvious. Many, many of these horses (especially the stallions) are kept in dark stalls and whipped to dance or behave properly.

As I said, not all are this way. But this is what I see in the majority of that type of training, and I want no part of it. The mare that I currently ride was charro trained and ridden in a double twisted wonder gag which was considered 'soft' by the rider, and she had all kinds of issues. She only knew how to go fast, had NO sense of balance and would leap into a run as soon as she felt herself getting off balance, didn't turn, frequently tried to run things over, and was terrified of people. Her mouth is damaged due to the methods (tying her head to the saddle and leaving her when she wasn't turning correctly) used on her, and even to this day (2 years after we brought her home) she will 'dance' when she doesn't know what you want her to do, or if she sees a whip or stick. Not prancing "I'm excited" dancing, but terrified, eye rolling, exaggerated knee dancing. It sickens me.
 
#21 ·
Paint

At first glace he is impressive and appealing to the eye. Nice coloring, stocky and sturdy looking. He also looks studdish to me as others have already said. (If when you go to see him and hes not a stallion I'd be wary of the larger crest and somewhat overweightness of him, suggesting founder)

That being said, after a closer look I don't like him as much as I thought I would when he's picked apart.

He's thick in the throat latch which would/may cause difficulty breathing during speed events (like barrels which is what it looks like you do?)
His neck is set on nicely to some pretty good looking shoulders, well sloped. But he has virtually no withers which may cause for saddle fitting issues. He is calf kneed which may develop problems under stress. I do like his pasterns and feet however. Nice, strong looking, short back. He is built down hill. His hip looks like its has a LOT of power to it...but he is also very stood up in the hindend, stilty. and his hocks are way off the ground which wouldn't translate the power of his hip into his work very well.

Sorrel/Chestnut

Unlike the paint I didn't like him as much at first, but I grew to like him more as I went through everything. Grant, it the pictures aren't ideal for a proper confo critic though.

His neck is more attractive to me, I prefer a somewhat longer neck though and his throat latch is refined as opposed to the paint's. His shoulder also appears to be well sloped and he also has some withers to keep that saddle in place! lol I like his forelegs better as well they appear to be straight from the angles I can see them from, although perhaps a bit tied in at the knee. Also has very nice pasterns, close to ideal well sloped and on the short side of medium length. My only major issue with this one is the long back, which is built downhill as well but less so than the paint. He has a powerful looking hindend, but the catch is I much prefer the angles in his hind legs as opposed to the paints. Yes, his hocks are still fairly high off the ground...but his stifle and hock have a more closed angle to them, which usually translates into better performance.



So, needless to say, I prefer the sorrel (despite the long back) he looks like his limbs would hold up to stress better and likely serve you well performance wise. The paint is very attractive (flashy) and doesn't really have anything majorly wrong with him. In fact, he could prove me wrong and do fantastic things or he might just serve someone nicely as a pleasure/trail horse...but that hind end is just not saying "performance" to me. Either way you're certainly not getting a bad horse conformation wise, so it's your pick really :lol:
 
#23 · (Edited)
I am from the Houston area, and I see this persons ads on CL all the time. yes,I think it's a charros horse, and please be careful, there are a lot of very disreputable horse traders in that area, and that's a pretty bad area of town, as well. Proceed with caution. If you're looking in the Houston area, there's a place called Gittins that sells horses, his horses are VERY nice, from looking at his site, and he stands behind them. There is also a very nice paint on CL right now for $2000, being sold by a man who is using him for mounted patrol and searches. He's very nice. My daughter sent me the link, but I already deleted it. good luck.

http://www.gittinshorses.net/index.html
 
#28 ·
I'd be curious as to that sorrels height. Averag head length is what 7.5 inches being he is 6'3 I'd say maybe 9 inches and if he were standing next to that horse there is no way those withers would be at chin height to him. For a barrel horse you'd want smaller though. Hope he works out. I'd prefer more balance but those picks may be off as they aren't confo pics.
 
#29 ·
A barrel horse can be any height, just as long as they are able to do what you ask. Brittany Pozzi's horse is 16.2 or 16.3 and runs pro circuit with her. I have several trainers around me who are also going to ride the gelding when he gets here to help me determine what his potential is and if he is able to do what I ask.
 
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