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post #1 of 9 Old 01-29-2013, 06:24 PM Thread Starter
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Take a look at my APHA paint gelding

If you've seen my other posts, Apollo is still pretty underweight but is slowly packing on the pounds. Im trying really hard to learn conformation, but its just not clicking with me. I'm just curious what you think of his conformation? I am aware of his turned out feet, and his lack of heel. What do you see as his strengths and weaknesses? I know you will be able to critique him better once he is at a healthy weight, but I'm just curious to see what you have to say about him. Sorry he is not squared up...he is antsy from being cooped up inside the past two days because of severe thunderstorms. I will post more pictures this summer once he's at a good weight to compare to these pictures. You can see thru his thick winter coat his is still quite ribby...

He's my baby and I love him regardless of his flaws.


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post #2 of 9 Old 01-29-2013, 06:58 PM
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He is not too thin, I would like to see more muscle than weight on him though. He toes out both front & back and has a rather longish weak back. I like this guy's neck but his shoulder is pretty steep. His knees are set low and short cannon bones, I really like that. Very attractive head too. Thank you for posting.
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Agree he doesnt look too thin, but lacking a bit of topline muscle. Yes, he's a bit turned out & base narrow in front, a bit cowhocked behind, so it may be body issues that are preventing better muscle development, of which a good bodyworker may be able to help with.

As for 'lack of heel' it doesn't look that way to me, but you'd have to include some good hoof shots to critique that.
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Thanks for your critique waresbear!

So he is not too thin to ride? Maybe I'm just used to seeing thicker horses? He just seems so narrow and thin to me...I've been doing ground work for the past month and he is doing SO well with it. He is a pro on the lunge line and I've been lunging him with a saddle on and have putting weight on his back by laying on him and putting weight in the stirrups which he is being very good about. His bridle is suppose to arrive soon and I plan on lunging him with that on a couple times then getting on him! I'm training as if he knows nothing, that way we don't have any holes in his training. So far so good!

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Agree he doesnt look too thin, but lacking a bit of topline muscle. Yes, he's a bit turned out & base narrow in front, a bit cowhocked behind, so it may be body issues that are preventing better muscle development, of which a good bodyworker may be able to help with.
I think his lack of muscle, well I'm pretty positive, is because he has sat in a paddock his entire life and has never worked a day in his life. They started him under saddle about a year ago and from what the owner explained they threw a saddle on him and went on a couple trail rides and walked around the arena with a person on his back. He has never been worked until I got him. It may very well be body issues but I guess I'll figure that out later on if he's not gaining muscle from being worked. Thank you for your input!
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Also here is a video of him...I heard toed out horses typically wing out, does he?


What can he handle riding wise. I've been researching ring bone, so I'm being kind of weary on what I do with him. Once I get our flat work done, I plan on using him for weekly trails, and just an all around pleasure horse. I've asked in another thread, and only got one reply (I think...I'm going to go check again. Maybe I didn't get notified when someone replied?) so wanted more opinions, would he do okay jumping an occasional small x? Or a barrel pattern and pole bending at the trot? None of which competitively, just something to do for fun. If he can't its no big deal, I wont love him any less. I just want him to stay sound and not push him to do things that will eventually hurt him.
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Computer's too slow to bother with vids, sorry. He's not just toed out, but looks turned out from above the knees - they point outward instead of forward, which is why I think it's a body issue, which may or may not be permanent. Possibly he's not quite good enough to excel in high performance athletic pursuits, but if you're only wanting a pleasure/trail horse that can do some small jumps, I wouldn't stress.

So saying, your mentioning ringbone is about...? That could change things. Does he have it? Is it high or low? Is it articular or not?
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Computer's too slow to bother with vids, sorry. He's not just toed out, but looks turned out from above the knees - they point outward instead of forward, which is why I think it's a body issue, which may or may not be permanent. Possibly he's not quite good enough to excel in high performance athletic pursuits, but if you're only wanting a pleasure/trail horse that can do some small jumps, I wouldn't stress.

So saying, your mentioning ringbone is about...? That could change things. Does he have it? Is it high or low? Is it articular or not?
He is almost 12 years old, so I would assume it is permanent since he is done growing...but then again I do not know much about conformation at all which is why I'm asking for your guys' help :)

I just reread my post and sorry I did not make that clear...He does NOT have ring bone, I've just had people tell me he is at higher risk (which caused me to research ring bone) because he is toed out and may be putting extra stress on his joints because of the position of his legs/feet. That's why I am cautious of doing jumping/poles/barrels with him even if it is occasional and at a slow pace...I just want to make sure I am not going to hurt him.
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He is almost 12 years old, so I would assume it is permanent since he is done growing...
I'm no 'conformation' expert either, but IME I think cow hocks isn't likely to change(not that it looks too bad), but if for eg. The 'outsie' confo of his front end is due to jammed up shoulders or such, a good bodyworker *may* be able to loosen him up & improve that. I've even seen mature horses change shape from having a very angular croup and very laterally imbalanced feet, to having a nice rounded rump & reasonable balanced hooves, just from bodywork alone.
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I'm no 'conformation' expert either, but IME I think cow hocks isn't likely to change(not that it looks too bad), but if for eg. The 'outsie' confo of his front end is due to jammed up shoulders or such, a good bodyworker *may* be able to loosen him up & improve that. I've even seen mature horses change shape from having a very angular croup and very laterally imbalanced feet, to having a nice rounded rump & reasonable balanced hooves, just from bodywork alone.
I have never heard of a bodyworker...what exactly do they do and how can I find one in my area (Illinois)? I'm running off to work now so I don't have much time to look it up until late tonight.
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