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    01-30-2013, 11:37 PM
  #11
Foal
Pls excuse the fact that it did pst 2 times with diff messages isaid my internet suks it gaveme an outage notice said it didnt post and it did lol so now the pic is up twice jsut ignorethat and read teh diff messages loll sorry bout that
     
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    01-31-2013, 01:31 AM
  #12
Foal
Cute but not a jumper in my oppinion, I see the TB;)
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    01-31-2013, 01:38 AM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by MISSMELODY    
Cute but not a jumper in my oppinion, I see the TB;)
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in MY opinion I think she's more tb than anything this time ofteh year she's getting to be abit how you say it nicely ..FAT she's a good 150 lbs overweight for a working horse he said tho her weights nto the problem its how much fat she has on her. Because I couldnt ride her seh had a really nasty leg injury she hit a rock in the arena at a show that noone knew was there and it trippedher sending her down on one of her knees she had a hell of a time walking for a while for th most part shed hop she wouldnt walk altho it didnt do DAMAGE persay I had to stay off her till she would walk trot canter gallop on her own with no pain and its taken her almost 6 months to be able towork her but im happy she's ok and the irony to yer statement.. that is a prize winnign jumping horse xd it scares me sometimes lol
     
    01-31-2013, 02:15 AM
  #14
Started
I think she meant she isn't conformationally what a typical jumping horse looks like. If she is a good jumper with good form and is well trained, then it doesn't matter that she isn't considered typical.
     
    01-31-2013, 02:20 AM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by jumanji321    
I think she meant she isn't conformationally what a typical jumping horse looks like. If she is a good jumper with good form and is well trained, then it doesn't matter that she isn't considered typical.
xd she's not lolll she's very short and I think herlegs are too small idk how she gets her tub of lard buttover 4 foot jumps when she's only 1ft 2 incehs biger than the jump
xd and for a blind horse im surprised she will jump im sure when she goes completely blind and can't see the height of it she probably wont but till then we just do it for fun thers no jumping shows aroudn here I wish there was
     
    01-31-2013, 02:41 AM
  #16
Foal
I feel this is a good pic of her if you dontmindthe fact she decided to go be a white horse for a moment
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    01-31-2013, 09:52 AM
  #17
Green Broke
FWIW most of my horses were rescues or poorly trained or badly trained out of previous ignorant owners. That was history once the horse was in my hands for me to train. In fact, most horses out there that you see have not had the benefit of good handling and good training or consistent riding!

If the horse was really badly trained in an abusive manner (most training is not intentionally abusive but abusive out of ignorance or bad information) I would start back at a point before that started. IF it meant going back to long lines, ground driving and so forth, then that is where we started. If it meant re-introducing the bit through a half breed or going to bosal training.. then that is what I did. Resistance is two things.. Mental and physical. The mental aspect is followed by muscle memory.. so (for instance) avoiding the bit by raising the head and hollowing the back are the muscle memories the horse develops. YOUR job as a trainer is to come up with a way to divert that energy of resistance into something you WANT.. instead of the hollow back and lifted head. What do you want? Train that.... (it requires patience and thoughtfulness.. and you love this horse so I am sure you will gladly apply both!).

The other photos of this horse still show me a horse that is not engaging her abdominal muscles and raising the root of her neck. She also does not have the conformation to make her more than an OK low level horse over fences (a 2 foot horse is what I mean). I don't think she will point her knees down (if she does, don't jump her.. those horses are flat out dangerous over fences).

Due to her conformation I would do the following to help her:

1.) Cease using her and training her in speed events for a few months.

2.) Go back to basics and get her thinking about you up there on her back.. lots of changes in direction, lots and lots of transitions, (walk/trot only), lots of things like serpentines, spirals, figure 8ts.

3.) LOTS of trotting up hills on a loose rein with the rider in a two point.
4.) A lot of work at the walk building her suppleness and responsiveness to your smallest request on a long loose rein.. do this in an arena or enclosed space.. if she runs through the snaffle sit up straight and give her slack (she won't have anything to fight and likely will stop.. if she does not stop use only one rein and turn her).
5.) Caveletti.. build up to 8, trotting, raised to a 12 inch height.

6.) If you want to try jumping, put a cross rail at the end of the caveletti (same height and still trotting). Eventually put the cross rail a full stride AWAY from the last caveletti.. (more on this when you get to it.. jumping and training jumping is something that takes time)

This is a 5-6 days a week riding program.

These exercises will help her build the right sort of muscles and build her abdominal muscles so she can better use herself and raise the root of her neck. I would not go back to speed events or advanced reining until she does a bit of horsey "body building" with these things. When you can ask for a trot from a stand (it takes time) or a halt from a trot and the horse does it four square and balanced (does not fall on her forehand) she is ready to be brought back to speed and more advanced reining.

It will be worth it too.. I bet her times will improve too.
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    01-31-2013, 03:07 PM
  #18
Foal
Shes done in speed and everything till she reengages everything ands doin thigs right and I do understand she's not engagung those muscles she will havta learn... she jumps 4 ft fences no problem because that's what she was ORIGIANALLY trained for. Her last owner sent her to a trainer who yanked. Ack on a snaffle and tore up her mouth didnt feed her right,didnt have a farrier out, nor a dentist or a chiro ...im happpy I has her. And I do love her. Also I have another thread up on the fact that she has bit problems were trying to understand she evades every bit you put in her mouth except a pelham she lso evades a hackamore which idk how she manages that it has no bit. Im trying to find something I just reintroduced her to a snaffle yesterday and we think its going to take some sraw reins to keep her on it .. I don't like other devices I feel soo badd doin it ifell like im bein mean to her... but then again if I was mean to her she probably wouldnt. Follow me around. Im on mobile qtm so I didnt completely read yer entire message but I will when im on my computer
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    01-31-2013, 03:35 PM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by Elana    
FWIW most of my horses were rescues or poorly trained or badly trained out of previous ignorant owners. That was history once the horse was in my hands for me to train. In fact, most horses out there that you see have not had the benefit of good handling and good training or consistent riding!

If the horse was really badly trained in an abusive manner (most training is not intentionally abusive but abusive out of ignorance or bad information) I would start back at a point before that started. IF it meant going back to long lines, ground driving and so forth, then that is where we started. If it meant re-introducing the bit through a half breed or going to bosal training.. then that is what I did. Resistance is two things.. Mental and physical. The mental aspect is followed by muscle memory.. so (for instance) avoiding the bit by raising the head and hollowing the back are the muscle memories the horse develops. YOUR job as a trainer is to come up with a way to divert that energy of resistance into something you WANT.. instead of the hollow back and lifted head. What do you want? Train that.... (it requires patience and thoughtfulness.. and you love this horse so I am sure you will gladly apply both!).

The other photos of this horse still show me a horse that is not engaging her abdominal muscles and raising the root of her neck. She also does not have the conformation to make her more than an OK low level horse over fences (a 2 foot horse is what I mean). I don't think she will point her knees down (if she does, don't jump her.. those horses are flat out dangerous over fences).

Due to her conformation I would do the following to help her:

1.) Cease using her and training her in speed events for a few months.

2.) Go back to basics and get her thinking about you up there on her back.. lots of changes in direction, lots and lots of transitions, (walk/trot only), lots of things like serpentines, spirals, figure 8ts.

3.) LOTS of trotting up hills on a loose rein with the rider in a two point.
4.) A lot of work at the walk building her suppleness and responsiveness to your smallest request on a long loose rein.. do this in an arena or enclosed space.. if she runs through the snaffle sit up straight and give her slack (she won't have anything to fight and likely will stop.. if she does not stop use only one rein and turn her).
5.) Caveletti.. build up to 8, trotting, raised to a 12 inch height.

6.) If you want to try jumping, put a cross rail at the end of the caveletti (same height and still trotting). Eventually put the cross rail a full stride AWAY from the last caveletti.. (more on this when you get to it.. jumping and training jumping is something that takes time)

This is a 5-6 days a week riding program.

These exercises will help her build the right sort of muscles and build her abdominal muscles so she can better use herself and raise the root of her neck. I would not go back to speed events or advanced reining until she does a bit of horsey "body building" with these things. When you can ask for a trot from a stand (it takes time) or a halt from a trot and the horse does it four square and balanced (does not fall on her forehand) she is ready to be brought back to speed and more advanced reining.

It will be worth it too.. I bet her times will improve too.
This is really embarresing for me to say lol but I never noticed the fact that she wasdnt engaging her hindquarters and I didnt make the connection between her head being up and her back being hollow till you said something, thank you for mentioning it in the lst few weeks I've been rididgn her again we have made a bigg improvement inher headset because id int like that and we are going to do all what you mentioned to build her up to wehre she should be. Also I really don't want to persue jumping with her ..not with my back lol she's a good jumper but I don't think its a good idea she's a higher level in that area then me ntm who knows how long shell be able to see . Im not a trainer lol im a rider unfortunately im forced to train because ther is noone out here tht will do it for me that I trust to lay a finger on my horse. The one lady I do trust is sa 3.5 hr drive and rosi hasnt completed the trailer program she's in right now so I wont force her into one and make her sit there all stressed adn scared. When I got her I noticed her main problems wher rearing buckign biting and not takign teh bit I fixed the bit problem first got her moving without a fight, she stoped biting at the saddle when I changed her from the semi qh bar saddle they had her in and into the fqhb she's in now also stopped rearing when pressure was applied after she learned the bit was her friend and I was nto going to make her mouth bleed that's exactly waht happend is they took a snaffle got mean with her and drove it up into hermouth and held it ther after she started fighting, a friend of mine watched it the horse was taken from them then given back providign they found a new trainer. Then I bought her MOST of her vices stopped with a new saddle and a new bit and teaching her theh bit was ok before I knew the story of what had happend I retrained her for bits on a gag snaffle and she reared up on me so iswitched to diff snaffle same happend then fr ****s and giggles I tried a sweet iron curb she was like ok this I can live with and stopped rearing on pressure I proceded to train back with my hands and legs I jsut never realized she could do lateral and not be engaged she also collects sometimes. Lol its a new subject but she is going to be taken back to basics and retaught im pretty clueless to training tho so any advice would be really well appreciated also elana could you like pm me?
     
    01-31-2013, 03:44 PM
  #20
Foal
update

K this is one I took today ya muslces still bad lol I've got that part lol is her headset because I kno you mentioned her her head was up too high if im right,probably not lol shouldnt her nose be in a tad more? I kno when I ride I ask for her nose in she does it she just hasnt learned to do it in the canter meh shell get there now if only I could get this in her snaffle
     

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