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        01-31-2013, 03:55 PM
      #21
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by pandora1121    
    k this is one I took today ya muslces still bad lol I've got that part lol is her headset because I kno you mentioned her her head was up too high if im right,probably not lol shouldnt her nose be in a tad more? I kno when I ride I ask for her nose in she does it she just hasnt learned to do it in the canter meh shell get there now if only I could get this in her snaffle
    sorry I hadablonde moment and forgot to postthe picture
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        01-31-2013, 04:08 PM
      #22
    Green Broke
    You need to ride this horse back to front. This means a loose rein and pushed forward with your legs (sit up straight) asking her to reach under herself with her hind feet. Start at the walk.

    In this photo, she is actually worse than in the one I outlined. She has almost no muscles along the center of her neck and her crest.. but along the jugular groove the muscle is huge.

    You don't get the headset THEN ask for the work from the hind end.. You ask for the work from the hind end and as the horse develops, she will naturally start to work correctly. This is called riding the horse back to front.

    Right now she is being ridden front to back (worrying about her head position and not the drive from her engine).

    She is traveling (most likely) with her body in the shape of a "U." What you are going to strive for is to turn that "U" over so it is upside down.

    Here is something for you to look at:
    What does 'on the bit' really mean?

    This is explains it even further:
    http://www.equinestudies.org/ring_re...s_2008_pdf.pdf

    This is a pretty nice horse. She is worth all this work and retraining. It will take MONTHS.
         
        01-31-2013, 04:19 PM
      #23
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Elana    
    You need to ride this horse back to front. This means a loose rein and pushed forward with your legs (sit up straight) asking her to reach under herself with her hind feet. Start at the walk.

    In this photo, she is actually worse than in the one I outlined. She has almost no muscles along the center of her neck and her crest.. but along the jugular groove the muscle is huge.

    You don't get the headset THEN ask for the work from the hind end.. You ask for the work from the hind end and as the horse develops, she will naturally start to work correctly. This is called riding the horse back to front.

    Right now she is being ridden front to back (worrying about her head position and not the drive from her engine).

    She is traveling (most likely) with her body in the shape of a "U." What you are going to strive for is to turn that "U" over so it is upside down.

    Here is something for you to look at:
    What does 'on the bit' really mean?

    This is explains it even further:
    http://www.equinestudies.org/ring_re...s_2008_pdf.pdf

    This is a pretty nice horse. She is worth all this work and retraining. It will take MONTHS.
    just outta curiostity how can she look worse in 3 days that picture and the first one I posted are 3 days apart im not bein mean im just suggestign maybe its the way she was standing adn this was post work out other was pre.. and she's ona loose rein so I guess im sorta confuzed she is a very nice horse that's y I am tryign to fix her as I said im not a trainer lol themost I've ever done is break a horse and I do train for barrels but those are horses taht already kno this stuff I will do my reading and start working her but if she's drove on a loose rein why isnt she engaiging her butt ya im beyond confused right now lol sorry im tyrign to cooperate but imvery easily confused.
         
        01-31-2013, 09:11 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
    When a photo is posted remember.. you are taking a 3 dimensional object (in this case a horse) and putting it on a 2 dimensional surface. Shadows and what have you can change how things look. The angle of the photo can too. The photo of her saddled really shows the lack of proper development of her neck.

    She is a pretty nice horse too. She can be helped a lot. Here is something else to take note of. See her belly? It sags and even bulges a bit where the flank strap is. Part of that may be extra weight but I don't think so. That bulge shows she has under developed abdominal muscles.

    In order for her to raise her back and lengthen it, she must be able to contract the muscles along her belly and lower her head. She has not done that in a long time.

    IF she is trotted up hill.. and this is with you standing in the stirrups with little contact on the reins other than to remind her to stay in the trot.. she will lower her head, lean into the effort of going up the hill and contract her abdominal muscles. It is simple physics.

    I had a horse much like this one as my first horse (when I was the ripe old age of 13). By the time I had that horse a year (and had considerable hands on help from wiser people) he looked vastly different. His neck had turned over a lot (muscles on the top were getting larger than the ones on the bottom) and his belly was gone.

    I did ride almost every day (at least 5 days a week) and did a LOT of long hills with him on a loose rein trotting. I also did other things.. and I rode English (not that the style of riding should matter.. the goal is the same).

    A year later someone asked me if he was the same horse.. Yeah.. it made that much of a difference. :)
         
        01-31-2013, 09:50 PM
      #25
    Green Broke
    Call me crazy, but in the photo of her with her tack on its doesn't look like she has much wither clearance. Could be the answer to the hollowing back.
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        01-31-2013, 10:13 PM
      #26
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by SlideStop    
    Call me crazy, but in the photo of her with her tack on its doesn't look like she has much wither clearance. Could be the answer to the hollowing back.
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    i could yes but I wont lol which saddle the one with her head is a semi qh bar saddle they rode herin it for 2 years itdint fit her in anyway and the the big red tone saddle its got teh orange seat its my most recent picture with a saddle and you couldnt see all her spots is a fqh bars its a tad big on her but shedoes havewither clearance it actually fits her really well but she does need a bit of back filling to go before it fits jsut right I have a wither thingy comeing for that saddle it jsut hasnt got here yet
    I was orignally tod that eh saddle they rode her in was partofher hollowing problem and probably y she don't engage right in a western ..doesit real nice in an enlgish ..i should post those pics of her its such a difference ther is enuf room for 2 of my fingers while inmovement I was taught if I couldnt putmy figers inthere without them gettingcrushed it didnt fit
         
        01-31-2013, 10:19 PM
      #27
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Elana    
    When a photo is posted remember.. you are taking a 3 dimensional object (in this case a horse) and putting it on a 2 dimensional surface. Shadows and what have you can change how things look. The angle of the photo can too. The photo of her saddled really shows the lack of proper development of her neck.

    She is a pretty nice horse too. She can be helped a lot. Here is something else to take note of. See her belly? It sags and even bulges a bit where the flank strap is. Part of that may be extra weight but I don't think so. That bulge shows she has under developed abdominal muscles.

    In order for her to raise her back and lengthen it, she must be able to contract the muscles along her belly and lower her head. She has not done that in a long time.

    IF she is trotted up hill.. and this is with you standing in the stirrups with little contact on the reins other than to remind her to stay in the trot.. she will lower her head, lean into the effort of going up the hill and contract her abdominal muscles. It is simple physics.

    I had a horse much like this one as my first horse (when I was the ripe old age of 13). By the time I had that horse a year (and had considerable hands on help from wiser people) he looked vastly different. His neck had turned over a lot (muscles on the top were getting larger than the ones on the bottom) and his belly was gone.

    I did ride almost every day (at least 5 days a week) and did a LOT of long hills with him on a loose rein trotting. I also did other things.. and I rode English (not that the style of riding should matter.. the goal is the same).

    A year later someone asked me if he was the same horse.. Yeah.. it made that much of a difference. :)
    now how did I miss thismessage .. my email notified me of slidestops but not yours my fingers are getting a work out from typing you lol ya her gut is she carries her extra weight on her butt and on you can't see it from this angle the outside of her ribs but higher up ifthatmakes sense .. the side of her its nto lower that's just her as you said lack of using abdominal muscles ..as for your hill thing we donthave hillshere lol imnto even kidding teh bigges hill I have islike freiking 3 feet and not a big incline the road has some hills but its pavement I was told nono on pavement trotting
         
        01-31-2013, 10:39 PM
      #28
    Foal
    Elana providing I don't forget to post tehpicture before sending the picture this is where shekeeps her fat lol the only wayicould explain it was to post it and iagree the bottom of her gut isnt fat I can feel it lol granted when she gained weight it did start to look a whole lot worse thne it doesit summer
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        01-31-2013, 10:47 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Im not new to lack of use to abdominal muscles lol I gained some weight int eh last few years lol maybe I should run up hills on all 4s I wonder ifthe principal could work .xd im sorry its gettin late lol im getting goofy so I am gonn head to bed for the night and any new posts I will asnwer in themorning if any pics are requested of certain parts of her let me kno and ill takethem in the morning
         
        02-01-2013, 09:04 AM
      #30
    Foal
    I also have a thoroughbred appy cross (We know for sure) So if you'd like to compare with my pictures to see the resemblence it might help. Here is my 10 year old gelding Salem. They look alike in my opinion.
    The first picture is him in the winter. The second he is a little thin over top. It was the day we got him but he got lots of weight now.
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