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post #21 of 48 Old 02-23-2014, 12:16 AM Thread Starter
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As far as whether I'm looking for a project, the short answer would be yes.

The reason for the answer is, IMO, EVERY horse is a project. Because even if someone's poured their blood, sweat and tears into training a horse, I'm going to have to work with that horse myself in order to form a partnership. I figure, it might as well be a relatively "blank slate." I technically was looking for something a bit more than green, but as long as I feel relatively safe, I think it's okay to go with straight green. The fact that I am looking forward to riding this horse again says a lot.

I'm also sending these new pics to my saddler to see what he things about saddle fit. ;) He'll give me an honest answer, even if he does see dollar signs.
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post #22 of 48 Old 02-23-2014, 07:50 PM
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Going to get a PPE.... so I guess you can say it went well!
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That is not a satisfactorary report!
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LOL! Sorry for being a tease!!!!

It was a bit of a roller coaster day. Striker is SUPER cute and lovey. I brought along two girls from my barn, one of whom is going to be a working student at a big barn in Chicago beginning in May. She was riding Obie for me before he was injured. I guess you could call her an "apprentice trainer."

I completely botched my trainer's instructions. She told me to have the rescue person ride Striker first. Instead, Helen (apprentice trainer) rode first.

He seemed a bit stiff at the walk but it was COLD (below zero). He was a bit antsy when asked to stop and stand but it wasn't anything major. Just "Thoroughbreddy" but not in a scary way. He seemed to get pretty comfortable to me at the trot but Helen did not canter him. Then, the rescue person suggested not trotting very long because of how cold it was and how Striker is out of shape.

Helen came over and said she was not comfortable cantering him because she thought he was lame in the left rear leg. Said she'd noticed it first at the canter on the lunge line, because he was reluctant to canter. IMO, he was just on too short of a line. He would start to canter and then the line would pull his head around and he'd break.

Anyway, when Helen was done riding him, I got on. I felt MUCH more comfortable this time around. I walked around a bit, changing direction a few times, and then trotted. Again, MUCH more comfortable this time around.

When I trotted to the left, he was much faster and did not feel as comfortable. But then I remembered to slow my post down and he settled in.

It was a bit of a strange visit because we sort of felt abandoned. The rescue people did not interact with us much and did not do much to "sell" the horse. In a way, I felt like I was intruding. It was just an odd feeling.

I told the rescue person that we were concerned about his movement being a bit off. She said that she'd never noticed anything (keep in mind that she's a vet). I told her that I'm a bit gun shy after my issues with Obie and she said she understood. I told her I would like to get a pre purchase exam (PPE) done before buying him. I told her I'd be in touch after I had a chance to talk to my trainer.

I left feeling sad because I did not think I was going to buy him.

When we got back to Duluth, we talked to Deb (the trainer) and she said that she figured he was out of the running because of the lameness and the attitude of the rescue.

After the girls left, we got to talking more and I said I didn't really notice that he was stepping wrong, outside of some stiffness. She asked to watch the videos.

After we watched them, she said, "I still really like him. I see nothing wrong with him."

She thinks the strange movement people were seeing might be due to the fact that he has one white sock. It looks like that leg moves strangely because it is so much more noticeable. She was frustrated that Helen did not canter him, but we have canter videos from December and she didn't see anything off with them.

After discussing it with her, I decided that I will have a neutral vet do a PPE. If he passes, I will buy him. My trainer might go down with me next weekend if we feel we need another look, but right now I'm feeling pretty confident that he's the right horse for me.

Here are the videos. I'm the one in #6. For some reason, the girls forgot to video when I was riding until my ride was almost over and I reminded them. We went better to the right. He started out fast to the left, but then I finally remembered to slow my post down and he settled in.

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Well that's more like it!

Two questions:

1) How did he make you feel while you were riding? Did you feel like a million dollars and that you and him could go on and do anything that you want?

2) Are you the sort of person that can move on from, and forget any niggles about soundness that are there?

These to me are the two most important things that you have to dig deep in yourself and answer with 100% total honesty, because of the issues that you have had with Obie. It worries me that you have not had a chance to canter this guy yet, to me that can make or break a deal, not all canters are equal!

I'm not sure that this is the horse for you from the reports that you have given, but it doesn't matter so much what I think, as what you and the people who have actually met him think.
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1) How did he make you feel while you were riding? Did you feel like a million dollars and that you and him could go on and do anything that you want?
Yes absolutely! I really, really like him. I felt safe and comfortable, yet I felt like he had enough spunk to keep me challenged and to do the things I wnat to do.

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2) Are you the sort of person that can move on from, and forget any niggles about soundness that are there?
Yes and no. A few things here and there are fine, but I do not want to end up with a completely unsound horse.

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It worries me that you have not had a chance to canter this guy yet, to me that can make or break a deal, not all canters are equal!
My trainer liked the look of his canter on the videos, and we may go down next weekend. She will go with me and canter him.

I am not solid on the canter yet. To be honest, I'm still not 100% secure on the school horses with cantering. I didn't expect to be able to canter him yet, and that's a part of the "project" part of him. My trainer will work on getting his canter solid, and also on getting MY canter solid in lessons.

Thanks for the input!
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What happened with the bay horse?
I still think this chestnut has a few issues that would put me off him - the slight roach back, the fact that he's so green you'd be relying a lot on a trainer to work on him - which would put you back to where you were with Obie and something about his back end that looks stiff to me - maybe the angle of his pasterns to the ground is too low & that looks like a risk of suspensory ligament trouble in the future or even starting now
You rode him much better though this time and looked a lot more relaxed
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The bay is at a trader with a shady reputation... I didn't feel comfortable with the situation so I decided to pass.
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We'll hope he wasn't loaded up with bute. If you buy him, make it conditional that you can return him within 3 days if he becomes unsound. If buted it will be worn off by then. Do ask the vet if the horse has been buted. This can account for a nice quiet horse. What I like to do is run my hands over the horse's back and when I get to the tail I lift it. Usually a horse will clamp it tight. A drugged horse will let you move it away from it's body.
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