Warmblood cross mare...To look, or not to look? That is the question? - The Horse Forum
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post #1 of 8 Old 03-10-2012, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
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Warmblood cross mare...To look, or not to look? That is the question?

Holsteiner and Appaloosa. Coming 9. Belongs to a student, who wants to be a trainer for a career, and her own trainer told her "you need to start going out and getting project horses, because the tb you have can't teach you anything more." This was last years project to bring along.

It looks like she kinda chucks herself over the jumps, like a sack of potatos. Can that be fixed up??

I want something to be honest, willing, and move up with me. Starting with Pony Club, and hunter/jumper on a local level (although Im hearing this mare might not be shaped like a hunter? waht do you think?) and later on, Eventing.

I was suppose to go see her tomorrow...But Im waffling as it is quite a drive, and I need to decide here soon.

Son, anybody? Opinions? Personality, boldness, confo, anything?


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post #2 of 8 Old 03-10-2012, 09:26 PM
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I like the way she moves. I say she is worth going out to look at, just make sure you bring a trainer.

She needs some weight on her though.

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This may just be me, but there's something that's just not sitting right with me about her. Other than the weight she really needs to steal from me there's little things about her confirmation that make me iffy about her being able to hold up to what you want to do. And maybe its just the way the pictures were taken (I'll try to see if I can draw on them to show the areas that stick out to me). As far as her riding, she seems responsive and willing. But looks like she paddles and over reaches with the hind (which isn't the end of the world). Her movement is very fluid, but she seems to have very pronounced knee/hock action that I don't remember being typical of the breed. To me she's just not screaming "I'm going to last forever"

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post #4 of 8 Old 03-10-2012, 10:39 PM
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She's quite nice, nothing spectacular, but nice enough.
It looks like she has been worked on the forehand a lot, very thick undermuscling on her neck and thick shoulders compared to his quarters points to a horse that tends to drag itself around on its front legs.
This can be corrected with good riding.

I would definitely get a thorough PPE on her, I would be a little concerned about the soundness of her upper hind limbs. She appears sickle hocked, but the photo's aren't good enough to tell for sure. The stifles are what I would be most concerned with, and if you are wanting this horse to jump - I'd be super wary.

At about 0.30 on the video, in the canter-trot transition - the mare falls straight onto the forehand, and then starts stepping quite short on the left hind until she walks again. In the walk I can still see a problem behind. It could be the video quality, as it was a little bumpy, but if you go and see her, watch this very closely and ask the owner to ride LOTS of transitions on her, so you can get a really good look.
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First thing that strikes me is that she's ewe-necked.
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So first thing, her neck, something typical of a horse that is not "working" over her neck, just flexing at the poll and carrying on, which is pretty obvious with her unsteady contact and lack of proper self carriage in the video. I don't know how it happened but with her high neck set and uphill build (although if you look at her "main mass" it is angled downward because she lacks a solid top line over her withers and back) they've managed to make her ride downhill and yet still need to stretch down (i.e.- walk and all nose out and up stuff) which to me screams that she's being ridden incorrectly.

I also see what Kayty is talking about but I see it somewhat consistently, this could again be "rider error", in which the rider is riding unevenly and making the horse unbalanced (which would be most apparent during a downward transition) or the horse could have a hind end issue. This horse is not using her hind end when she moves, which could easily cause back and upper hind joint problems (stifle and hip). She also has a mildly long back, which makes it weaker and not being ridden over her back would make her weak in her back, top line, and hind end (which will bring about a lot of injuries because they just can't work that way effectively, especially jumping).

I'd suspect she chucks herself over jumps because she has no muscle. At 9 years old she should be a third larger than that, she looks waspish and under developed. Look at the size of her head, bone structure and joints, they're not as dainty as she is. When I looked at her pictures (admitedly before I read anything) I assumed she was 4 or 5 judging by her structure and muscle build. But before I obsess over her lack of muscle, if she got regular work making her use her hind end and build the strength and then was taught that she could then power from behind over the jump rather than chuck herself over because she doesn't have muscle she might develop a better jump. But again, the chucking could be due to pain or injury as well. I'd suppose, though, that the chucking is due to not really knowing what she is doing and not having the proper muscles to do it correctly. I've seen a lot of horses chuck themselves over jumps and then you get on and give them the right skill set to do it right and suddenly they are like "woah I can use my hind end, this is so much easier!!!"

As for hunters, I doubt she'll do very well, between her knee action and her chucking herself over fences (can't really judge how her jump will be at the moment), she won't place and will make hunter/jumper shows a waste of your time unless you stick to the jumper ring. Although, my advice would be not to even jump her until she knows how to use her hind end and builds some muscle so she doesn't potentially hurt herself. She might make a decent eventer, I doubt she'll be going Advanced any time soon but Novice and possibly Training isn't out of her spectrum.

I will encourage a thorough PPE with x-rays. I always at least do x-rays of the front hooves and hocks, and if there is an "iffy" area I'll x-ray that as well just so that I know what I'm working with and what sort of things might be a red flag upon resale. Even if you think that you'll never ever ever never ever sell her you always want to know that you're not buying a horse with problems, and in the event that you had some horrible financial situation arise you could sell the horse if need-be.
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I think she's worth a look. She looks nothing like a wb/app, she looks like a rangy tb to me. very fine boned and sleek, I would not put any weight on this girl because of her skeletal structure but agree she needs lots! of muscle. i don't know if her bad transitions are rider error, training holes or soundness issues but she will need some serious work (who doesn't?) and I would want her to be a very good price if you consider bringing her home. But there is something I like about her.
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Mt 3 y/o warmblood-cross makes this little lady look like a toothpick. :/

I'm sure that with time/patience/proper training, anything is a decent prospect... Her back seems excessively short to me and she is ewe-necked... Try her out. See how you feel then. :)

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