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    06-01-2012, 09:34 PM
  #21
Green Broke
Oopss my bad.. since you are Not doing halter classes .. my typo..
He still would do good with the flat work and WP. Yes I would enjoy seeing some pics of him in 60 days, when he has more muscle and weight.
     
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    06-02-2012, 02:13 AM
  #22
Yearling
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Originally Posted by RunSlideStop    
As for WP, nope. He just "looks" more HUS to me. I am not a fan of either in their current "fads" as it were, but HUS horses seem more conformationally correct to me. Still have a very low set axis of rotation for the shoulders and hips, making the stride shorter than seems healthy, and the whole peanut rolling fad is a bunch of bull dooky in my opinion. However, as I said, HUS seems more conformationally correct to me.

Did that answer your question?

ETA it is worth noting that any horse on long, spindly, narrow-based legs is going to have a hard time balancing; something I notice a lot in WP and HUS horses. This is evident in the elevated movements made to transition in gates or change leads, etc. Paired with (in WP) the practise riding the horse with its face tipped into the rail to keep it slow, and you have a pretty unbalanced beefcake on toothpick legs ;)

That being said, I think this boy is just marvellous and can become quite well balanced and forward. :)
I see, thank you!
     
    06-02-2012, 11:00 AM
  #23
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Lopin N Paint    
Thank you.

Like I said my main plan is to get him into a 60 day program that can help him build up (be it slowly and carefully) what he is noticeably lacking.

Weather permitting my instructor and trainer likes to get horses OUT and does a ton of trail riding, which is great for a horse like this.

Another cool fact, its been pretty much decided through trial and error and then by a 'vet check' that Vinny is deaf. Or pretty darn close to it. But, he doesn't seem to be bothered by it too much.

I'm just not sure I'm sold on his name... Vinny.... so that might have to go. His original name was Otto I think. I don't care for that either.
I was going to ask you if he is deaf, and this particular coat pattern....especially on the head, results in deaf horses a good deal of the time.
     
    06-02-2012, 11:14 AM
  #24
Started
I have a deaf border collie and she is more in tune with me than her hearing brother and" listens" better. I think as long as you can get his trust down he'll prove to be better than most hearing horses. Good luck he is georgeous!
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    06-02-2012, 01:07 PM
  #25
Weanling
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
I was going to ask you if he is deaf, and this particular coat pattern....especially on the head, results in deaf horses a good deal of the time.
Someone told me too it has to do with his white face but also the way the white on his belly goes... not too sure about that part then again I never had a deaf horse before so what do I know!
     
    06-02-2012, 01:11 PM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Critter sitter    
I have a deaf border collie and she is more in tune with me than her hearing brother and" listens" better. I think as long as you can get his trust down he'll prove to be better than most hearing horses. Good luck he is georgeous!
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Thanks.

He doesn't seem any better or worse to me; I just treat him like a normal horse as far as training... but like I said I make it a point to let him know where I am the best I can.
It doesn't help either that he is half asleep all the time. He is one chill dude that's for sure. Not a care in the world. He just seems happy and more relaxed now that someone is giving him some attention.
     
    06-03-2012, 06:17 AM
  #27
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Lopin N Paint    
Thanks.

He doesn't seem any better or worse to me; I just treat him like a normal horse as far as training... but like I said I make it a point to let him know where I am the best I can.
It doesn't help either that he is half asleep all the time. He is one chill dude that's for sure. Not a care in the world. He just seems happy and more relaxed now that someone is giving him some attention.
My trainer had a couple deaf horses in the barn, they showed APHA and did ok for themselves!
     
    06-03-2012, 08:57 PM
  #28
Weanling
I am going to be honest with you because I feel that critiques on a horse's conformation should be accurate and not because a person wants to flatter the owner.

I'm sure he's a sweet boy, but he is a hot mess.

His neck is unfortunate. It attaches low into the wither and the muscles are developed incorrectly, so he has the start of an "upside down" neck. Until he's properly conditioned, it's going to be hard for him to use his neck for any of the rail events. Even then, his neck is never going to be correct -- it will always tie in low.

He is short in the shoulder in comparison to his hip and back. His back is fairly weak, which means that he is probably going to have a difficult time elevating his shoulders and rounding up to have the amount of drive needed to be successful in the western or hunt seat events. He will most likely always be a fairly flat (meaning through the body, not the legs) mover. With his shoulder, I would prefer to see a higher point to his shoulder and see it more laid back. A lower point of shoulder typically means the horse isn't able to use his shoulder as much for a free moving stride, and they are often choppy. It would be difficult to push him into a long stride for the hunt seat.

His back legs are significantly longer than I would like to see on a prospective rail horse, and the impression that I get is that it is going to be difficult for this horse to drive well off the hock. He gives the appearance of running downhill, and coupled with his weak topline and shoulder, I can imagine that he will be a difficult one to keep up off the forehand.

He is an attractive color, and it sounds like he has a nice personality. Do you have video of him? That would be the best way to determine if he has the movement to do the rail classes.

Regardless, even if he is not the nicest mover he may still make a good pattern horse.
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    06-04-2012, 10:44 AM
  #29
Weanling
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Originally Posted by spurstop    
Regardless, even if he is not the nicest mover he may still make a good pattern horse.

Thank you.

I appreciate the honesty. Right now I just want to put miles on him and enjoy him for what he is! Lucky for him (I guess maybe not for me if I do ever want to show) is he has sentimental value so we will just work with what we got and go from there :).

I have off tomorrow so I will try to get a good video of him in the roundpen. I never did the video thing so it could be interesting. His feet get done today (old owner really left them go) so I can leave the boots and halter off so it does detract from his movment... any other video tips?
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