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Would this young fellow be good as a future dressage prospect?

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    02-24-2014, 11:17 AM
  #11
Weanling
We didn't urge him to jump, we were loose-jumping his dam as she was about to get evaluated by judges the upcoming week. He just loved jumping so much it was hard to keep him from following - I mean he could have easily dodged the obstacle.

I'm not home at the moment, so I can't post pictures. But his dam is an andalusian cross and sire is a latvian sport horse.
     
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    02-24-2014, 12:00 PM
  #12
Weanling
His dam is good in dressage, did some nice competitions with her in 2012. Yet his sire came from a jumpers bloodline.

I found some pictures - the first horse is the dam and second the sire.
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    02-24-2014, 12:32 PM
  #13
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He's too young really to tell - he might end up being too stocky for anything other than the lower levels
His legs look to be straightening out from the one age to the next so will probably not be any issue to him at all
I wouldn't let him jump - just because he likes doing it doesn't mean it wont damage him - he doesn't know any better. He might have a better future in jumping than in dressage though!!
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    02-24-2014, 12:36 PM
  #14
Green Broke
This foals dam is a right nice horse. The sire, OTOH, is your weak link.This foal is already developing a body like his Father and I expect will take away his father's shoulder as well. Thos front pasterns on the sire.. Mmm Mmm Mmm.. talk about upright.. and the hind leg.. really poor.

Time will tell, but from the looks of this foal he is going to have a lot more of Daddy going on than Mom (and Mom is a much better horse IMO).

I know this is all in Estonia and not the US.. but while I would breed the mare in a heartbeat I would geld that stud even faster based on these photos.
     
    02-24-2014, 01:07 PM
  #15
Weanling
Thanks for that, I guess I needed to hear the truth.

The stallion is grazing in the clouds above right now, I wouldn't have bred him either but it wasn't my call to make as I'm not the owner. I was hoping the foal would take after his mother, as I am bonkers for that girl, love her soo much.. Yeah. Guess not.

Just for the sake of it - the stallion had an unsuccessful operation, resulting with problems of the front pastern(I'm sorry I lack expertise and vocabulary to explain better). Neither his dam or sire had upright pasterns and none of his offspring have inherited them so far. It would truly be sad if the colt I'm talking about here would be the first.

Will upright pasterns make his life difficult?
     
    02-24-2014, 01:09 PM
  #16
Weanling
I feel ashamed for letting him jump :( I'll mention it to the owner so it won't happen again until he is more mature.
     
    02-24-2014, 01:47 PM
  #17
Yearling
From the more recent picture the foal appears to have appropriate slope to his pasterns, but definitely something to keep an eye on.

Upright pasterns means there is less shock absorption of movement, so instead of nice flexion as a horse moves they hit the ground much harder. It can make them more prone to arthritis and general unsoundness as there is much harder pounding going up the leg, instead of being dissipated through the joint flexing.
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    02-24-2014, 01:53 PM
  #18
Green Broke
If the sire had contracted tendons that could be what he had surgery for. This can be caused by genetics or just one thing on one horse. Now the over at the knee in the foal takes on more significance because that can be a sign of the same trouble the sire had. It could also be a slight issue that will pass with time.

Quite honestly I would love to see another foal out of that mare bred to a top Warmblood stallion. I think that would give you a cracker jack baby. With shipped semen and the like you are no longer relegated to having to ship the mare for breeding. Maybe you could lease her and get a foal if that is what you are bent on? Just some thoughts.

Of course, a mare bred this spring will give you a baby next spring that will be a weanling in the summer... then not really much to work with for another 3 years. Still.... if you are young and with a mare that nice it would be worth the wait. I think.
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    02-24-2014, 04:06 PM
  #19
Green Broke
The mare is lovely!

I'd just wait it out and see how he matures. He's still so young (:
     
    02-24-2014, 04:15 PM
  #20
Trained
[QUOTE=Elana;4831602]Thos front pasterns on the sire.. Mmm Mmm Mmm.. talk about upright.. and the hind leg.. really poor. [quote]

Interested to know what's poor about his hind legs, but I don't believe you can tell from these 2 pics, why he's upright in the pasterns - eg whether it's his skeletal confo or whether it's his hooves or something else 'correctable' and not genetic, making him more upright. And if angles downstairs are changeable, so will shoulder angles & such.
     

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