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post #11 of 18 Old 08-02-2010, 04:34 PM
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I agree with the above postings and also would not vote for something on a whim. Thanks for asking the hard questions, SR

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post #12 of 18 Old 08-02-2010, 04:55 PM
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Thanks, frank.

Sometimes asking such questions makes people angry at me, but they need to be asked.

I don't go voting for people who say they have a plan, and yet refuse to share it. Trust me, I'm not trying to steal the idea. I have enough on my plate already with my own job, farmette, and animals.

The fact of the matter is that these are tough economic times, and people don't want to chance their hard earned money on a new rescue, especially one that doesn't even have the facility yet to house any animals. That in and of itself leaves me completely gobsmacked. NO facility, and yet she thinks somehow everything is going to pull together and fall magically in place?

It's a nice dream, really it is. But the harsh reality is even well established, reputable rescues with years of experience are going down the tubes because donations are down. What makes the OP think her plan is going to succeed when more experienced rescuers are having to shut their doors?

Asking for her business plan and mission statement is smart, not intrusive. It's the public's money, not the rescue's. People have every right to know how each penny is spent, and on what.

Someone wants me to throw my support and money behind them, but they feel that me asking legitimate questions, that I've asked of every charity to which I've ever donated, is being rude and negative? No, I don't think so.

I'm always concerned about the continued success of rescues, shelters, and fosters, because ultimately it's the animals who suffer if they go belly up.

Yes, it's a nice, sweet, caring idea. But it's neither realistic nor very farsighted of the OP to believe that everything will take care of itself, if she just gets the money from Pepsi.

$250,000 sounds like a lot of money but it won't go very far, especially when we're talking about the ongoing care and feeding of a group of very large animals, some of whom are ill or disabled.

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post #13 of 18 Old 08-02-2010, 05:47 PM
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No joke. Especially since most horses coming into rescues aren't the 'Just Add Groceries' types. Most need special care. Quite a few of them will never be rideable again. Those horses usually stay the longest if not forever.

One horse on long term meds that isn't sound will eat up atleast a couple grand a year.

The rescue that I keep my horse at has been forced to turn horses away. We just dont have the money. The last full house of rescues we had took almost 20 months to find them all homes. One mare was better than pasture sound but certainly was never going to be able to tolerate hard work. The other was dumped on us (tied to our mailbox)...well trained and pretty (if you like appys lol) but it turns out she had COPD. We had one put down because of severe behavior issues. One cost a fortune to get her feet back in shape.

All told we had 10 total rescues at one time. 1 was put down 3 months after he came. 2 were easy cases who did just need groceries. The other 7 had issues. Where they were training issues or medical, it all costs money.

We have 2 rescues now and they are coming along nicely. We have no intention on adopting them out though...there are no buyers.
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I've neither missed a concept nor become upset at all. I completely understand why people would want to ask questions and I do not blame them. I would do so myself. It's an intelligent thing to do and it shows that people do have common sense and business sense. I have no problem answering questions.

If, for any reason, you have missed the fact that "everything has been taken care of", I will start from the beginning.

Once submitted, every idea has to pass through a panel of judges. If approved, it then goes on to the voting stages. However, before even being allowed to be sent to the judges, each person that is applying for a grant must present a business plan, 501(c)3 status must have been applied for, state regulations must be met, etc. Resumes for every individual must be filed as well. I've hired a lawyer to guide me through these and many other steps. If voted for, before receiving any kind of funding, the individual must meet with the Pepsi CO. lawyers and discuss the terms in further details. If you receive a Grant, you will need to sign a Grant Agreement and agree to certain terms and conditions for implementing your project and reporting back your project progress and grant expenditures. You will also be asked to provide certain financial and legal documentation as outlined in the Grant Agreement.

I do not know how else to explain it other than I would not be asking for the funding if things were not completed properly and fully understood. I have puts months of research, work, planning, and personal money, into this. If you feel comfortable voting for the center, then thank you and God Bless. If not, then so be it. Thank you for your time either way.

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post #15 of 18 Old 08-02-2010, 07:54 PM
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To me being taken care of is not enough. Same with it has been judged and is all good. To me that is not enough when it comes to money and voting for anything.

You are correct you do not have to share that with the people asking but then in turn do not need to vote for you as there are many others to vote for.

Also what about when the money is gone? Do you have a plane set to keep the rescue going? Where is the rest of the money coming from?? What ever they give you and if you have to buy land and build or repair facilities that money will not last long. I know what it cost to build my place.

From what I have seen here and read I would keep looking to cast my vote. That is just me though and I can not speak for others.

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post #16 of 18 Old 08-03-2010, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ottbfan View Post

"everything has been taken care of"
I think being young and naive has led you to believe that you saying this actually means something to others.

You do realize that 'everything is taken care of' is what a crack addict mother says to Child protection services when they come and find no food in the house for the kids who have not had a bath in weeks.

Your idea of 'everything is taken care of' might not be the same as the rest of the worlds idea of everything is taken care of.

If you have a business plan why not share it?
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post #17 of 18 Old 08-03-2010, 10:41 AM
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I voted for you.

I understand that these questions they are asking are important, but I also believe that pepsi wouldn't approve a possible plan like this without sufficient evidence and planning that it would continue past building. After all it is THEIR money, why would they approve something and give that money away all for it to fail? To me that wouldn't make any sense. Pepsi wants to help people and this planet, and having their projects fail wouldn't help that cause for them whatsoever. At least that is how I figure it.
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post #18 of 18 Old 08-03-2010, 10:53 AM
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Icy, for Pepsi it's a tax write off, so if the organization they give the money to fails, it's no skin off their nose.

It's easy enough for their PR department to say it wasn't Pepsi's fault if the people the money went to didn't know how to use it wisely.

It's also a marketing strategy for Pepsi. They give out $250,000 and get millions in free advertising as well as the good will of consumers, which is what they're really aiming for; those consumer dollars.

Huge companies like Pepsi are rarely philanthropic without getting something in return, usually much more than the money they're giving away. $250,000 is a drop in the bucket to a corporation as large as they are.

It's an absolutely brilliant marketing strategy, but don't be fooled. Pepsi's doing this more for themselves than anyone else.
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