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  • Does oil based flyspray bleach horse

 
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    08-20-2007, 11:42 PM
  #11
Weanling
In horse illustrated there is an ad for all of those black as knight and the other supplements i'll see if I can find one of those mags...
     
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    10-23-2007, 01:20 AM
  #12
Foal
Browning/oranging coats are a classic case of copper sulphate (bluestone) deficiency
     
    10-23-2007, 08:20 AM
  #13
Foal
^^UUUHHH....no. It's sunbleaching. I wouldn't suggest a rug, as it may get too hot. I would either only turn out at night, or use Black as Knight (It actually works). They have cheaper off brands that work the same too.
     
    10-23-2007, 10:49 AM
  #14
Showing
Vida is faded black also. This summer I used an oil based fly spray on her. I wasn't really paying much attention but a friend I was riding with noticed that she had stayed very black all summer. I don't know if it was the fly spray or what but that's the only difference I can recall. I don't think it has any UV protection in it.
     
    10-23-2007, 03:08 PM
  #15
Foal
Uuuuum YES it is!!

The deficiency doesn't CAUSE the fading, but rather allows the fading/sunbleaching to occur.

Genetics also come into play as there are two types of black gene, fading and non fading (jet black), its the fading types that benefit from the right dosage of daily copper. No amount of sun can bleach a horse with the jet black gene.

So yes the browning/oranging is sunbleaching caused by a deficiency in copper

The darker the horse (regardless of colour) the more copper they need.
     
    10-23-2007, 09:23 PM
  #16
Showing
I have been searching the web for corroborating evidence on copper deficiencies allowing sun fading. I have been unable to find anything. Do you have any scientific data you could cite that would prove this? I checked Vida's feed and it does have copper in it, but maybe she needs more. I would be very interested if you could add any information you have. Thanks
     
    10-26-2007, 08:22 AM
  #17
Trained
I have no idea about the copper thing but as with vida, I havent been able to find any supporting evidence regarding this. I am open to evidence of this though.

For a darkening agent I simply use molasses. My bay wb is starting to darken up nicely since we bought him and have added mollases to his feed. And its summer here so he has no rugs during the day.

Mollases has always been added to my horses feed and you definitely notice a difference once you start
     
    11-21-2007, 09:15 PM
  #18
Foal
keeping it black


well friends of ours have black percherons and to keep them back they just keep them in the barn during the day and let them out at ight so they don't become sun bleached (bay). Hope you use my sugestion because it really does work!!!!!!
     

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