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  • My gelding is really grumpy at the moment

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    12-23-2012, 03:10 PM
  #21
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Yeah, he just kicked my sister :(
     
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    12-23-2012, 04:07 PM
  #22
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Isiwizzy sorry but thephotos add nothing to the thread, if ou want to show him off then do a picture thread.

Bluebird whilst I agree with you on the other thins I do not aree with you about twitching. There are several situations where I have twitched a horse for both my safety and the horses and the horses were non the worse off and no trust was lost. I had an arab who would fight chemical sedation we twitched him on several occasions for example when he went in for xrays, when he some how opened up an artery and wouldnt let us near it, when we had to stitch his legs up after an accident. I've twitched several of my oldies for medical reasons because it is safer to twitch an older horse than to sedate it heavily. I've twitched Reeco so that he would let me get at an injury before the vet arrived and stem the bleeding, I twitched stan whilst we smothered antiseptic on his sweetitch wounds when it got out of control.

Nose Twitching done properly does not hurt the horse in any way and will not affect the relationship, if it hurts the horse you are doing it wrong.
That said I would never ever condone ear twitching as that does cause pain and so many head shy horses are caused by it.

OP please please do not tie your horses head to its leg. That is dangerous and will result in a hurt horse.

I smack mine if he thinks of lifting a leg but it is with an open palm on his fleshy bottom.
     
    12-23-2012, 04:57 PM
  #23
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In the pic with your brother riding the position or fit of the saddle doesn't seem quite right. It seems to be jamming his shoulder blades and maybe not enough wither's clearance. When a saddle jams the shoulder blades it will eventually create scar tissue in the muscles. If the edge of his shoulder blades are sore that will account for the nasty temperment. Horses try to tell us things in ways they know how but how people don't always understand.
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    12-24-2012, 03:12 AM
  #24
Weanling
Where are you based ISIWIZZY? Your pics look like they are taken in the UK. If you are in the UK, there are a few experts around who can point you in the right direction. A kicking horse is very, very bad. Your sister looks very young and this is a dangerous game your horse is playing. We don't want it to get out of hand and it ends up in tragedy whereby your horse has to be put down or someone is seriously or fataly injured. If the problem is not addressed soon it could be a case of 'when' not 'if'.
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    12-24-2012, 03:18 AM
  #25
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Yep, we are in the UK and have just employed a VERY good riding instructor called Hannah. My sister is 13 and has been riding scince she could walk on her shetland. She has her own pony and was just trying Troy out. You can see me in the background stroking Sparky, Georgia (sister) horse.
     
    12-24-2012, 03:19 AM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by isiwizzy675    
My gelding Troy (In my barn) is really grumpy at this time of year, and I need to either plait, pull or trim his mane and tail. I can't go behind him to do his tail, and he can't have a twitch. Any help would be greatly welcomed

Izzy xx
Isiwizzy, people are concerned about your horse and you. You need to give a little more information about the circumstances if you are asking for proper advice. We have no idea how old you are (yes, age does matter because advice si different if you are an adult I.e. Over 18), how experienced you are and if you have people helping out with your horse. If this horse kicks out, especially at your little sister, then you should not be letting anyone near him until you get to the route of the problem. If you have had him for 6 years and he is still having problems, no matter what his background before that, 6 years is a long time and problems should have been addressed way before now. People really do want to help so let us know a bit more information.
     
    12-24-2012, 03:32 AM
  #27
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Originally Posted by isiwizzy675    
Yep, we are in the UK and have just employed a VERY good riding instructor called Hannah. My sister is 13 and has been riding scince she could walk on her shetland. She has her own pony and was just trying Troy out. You can see me in the background stroking Sparky, Georgia (sister) horse.
OK. I'm in Surrey. Get in touch with the Intelligent Horsemanship people Intelligent Horsemanship . Its run by Kelly Marx who has done amazing things with problem horses. It will cost you a fee of about 100 (get mum or dad to pay up ...LOL) but they will come up and spend a couple of hours with you. They will assess your horse and give you a full, written report of problems and how you can work to resolve them. They will also look at how you handle him and then give you tips on what to do next. You should not let anyone else ride him while he is causing problems, especially not your young sister. I am really, really concerned by some of the things you have written about your horse and the last thing I want to happen is for him to have to be put to sleep or someone or someone else's horse gets seriously injured by him. If the latter happens (God forbid), you or your mum and dad(if you are under 18) will be liable for damages.Your horses problems, if what you are saying is accurate, can't be remedied by an instructor. This does not seem to be about riding, it is about his behaviour. You also need to get him checked by a vet as if he is grumpy when you go near him, it could be because he is in pain. At the moment, my advice to you is to give him the Winter off and let him rest up. Start bringing him into work again in March but only after you have had him checked out by a vet and/or behaviour expert. Don't try some of the extreme methods suggested in some threads. We aren't allowed to do that in the UKas our animal welfare laws are very strict (as you probably already know) and it comes under "animal abuse".Do let us know how you get on and have a really lovely Christmas.
     
    12-24-2012, 03:41 AM
  #28
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Hi Bluebird, Ok, I am 17 and my parents own a riding school. My mum is a vet and has looked him over, he is not in any pain. My dad is a farrier and always checks his feet, they are fine also. I have lots of qualified friends at my disposal and Hannah is not only an Instructor, but a horse behavior specialist. I have known her for years and she is amazing.
     
    12-24-2012, 03:42 AM
  #29
Green Broke
Oh and just to add to what bluebird has said, before you bring him back into work please get a master saddler to look at his saddle fit because that could be the root cause and to me the saddle does not look like it fits.
MasterSaddlers.co.uk
This website will help you find one. It costs between 20 and 60 to get a proper saddle fitter up. A horse that is in pain in its back will be grumpy, willl likely kick if the wrong spots are touched, will often buck or rear undersaddle and will not be able to become round when working.
     
    12-24-2012, 03:44 AM
  #30
Green Broke
Sorry cross posted. If what ou said is true then I seriously doubt this Hannahs skill or your parents knowlege. That saddle does not fit and bad behavior should never be tolerated no matter what the horses background.
     

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