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    09-19-2011, 11:00 AM
  #11
Yearling
I thought horses were suppose to be taught to give to pressure not get rewarded when pressure is applied by getting more slack
     
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    09-19-2011, 11:47 AM
  #12
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
I thought horses were suppose to be taught to give to pressure not get rewarded when pressure is applied by getting more slack
You can adjust the tension to give more or less slack. The idea is that it keeps them from getting frantic as it releases slowly and not break suddenly like the horse is expecting. This horse hasn't learned to give to pressure so it will help train them.
     
    09-19-2011, 12:11 PM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
I thought horses were suppose to be taught to give to pressure not get rewarded when pressure is applied by getting more slack
The tie ring doesn't give slack, the horse does, the ring allows to rope to have some give when a horse pulls back hard. As long as the horse is pulling back there will be tension.
Tension is tension to a horse, the hard core pullers react to any tension. When they pull back with the ring & are not locked tight they decrease the amount of panic they feel, eventually they stop pulling & the instant they do there is slack in the rope (all tension gone). That's how they learn that not pulling back is the correct answer. An inner tube, for example, will not release tension until it is back to the original starting position. I've never seen any horse run back to the original tie spot.

Sure they may learn being tied hard is fruitless to fight but then it wasn't their idea- it was defeat & they are more likely to try again another time.

The tie ring is the exact same concept of asking a horse to lower it's poll or lead without being dragged-a little tension to the poll brings the horse forward.

I hope I explained this clearly.
     
    09-19-2011, 12:15 PM
  #14
Yearling
The best method, I think, but not everyone is able to do this is putting a pole ten foot above ground, six foot in the ground, put a screw eye on the very top and a screw eye at the height you would tie the horse. Run a rope through both screw eyes and tie an eighty pound bag of sand to one end. Leave just enough for the bag of sand to sit on the ground. On the other side where your screw eye is on the side of pole, leave enough rope to tie your horses and them stand comfotably. If the horse pulls or fights he lifts the bag of sand the horse has plenty of room to give and fight but nothing to get hurt on. As the horse gives to the pressure it doesn't take them long to realize that standing by the pole puts no pressure on them. Even if they pull back they won't get hurt. There is too much tension on the rope for there to be any slack for the horse to get caught and a horse cannot stand and pull against eighty pounds all day. They have to give in to get rid of the pressure.
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    09-19-2011, 12:18 PM
  #15
Yearling
I'm not a hundred percent sure what ring you all are talking about, if it's the one I'm thinking of its like half of o ring snaffle, I think. It's a ring with straight middle piece.
     
    09-19-2011, 12:26 PM
  #16
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
I'm not a hundred percent sure what ring you all are talking about, if it's the one I'm thinking of its like half of o ring snaffle, I think. It's a ring with straight middle piece.
Yes. It works on the exact same concept as your bag of sand except the sand won't release tension until the bag is back on the ground, provided a horse will even lift it all the way off the ground. I do like your sand bag idea, it seems very safe just not as mobile as a ring.
     
    09-19-2011, 12:49 PM
  #17
Trained
I like all of the above suggestions. In the meantime, as you wait for UPS to deliver your tie ring, do you have a lungeline and a fence with a stout vertical post? If so, I REALLY like what Craig Cameron demonstrated with a Mustang he was training. (We got to see the whole process in a series, and the horse was totally green when he started.) You clip the end on the halter then run it through the fence about at the chest level of the horizontals. Wave your arms, whistle, make a lot of noise to try to spook your horse. He will pull back, but he can run out the length of line. Pull it short again, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat. He won't feel trapped, and he'll learn that being tied isn't scary. It's going to take a LOT of sessions. Ask ANYBODY who has retrained an OTTB. They aren't allowed to be tied, according to a TB trainer I know. A groom just holds them for every job where we all tie ours. Therefore I had to be the one to train my OTTB to be tied up, who HAD been shown, who HAD been jumped, who HAD been trailered ad nauseum.
See--it's not you OR the breed of horse.
     
    09-19-2011, 01:23 PM
  #18
Weanling
My horse doesn't like to be tied and tends to flip out as soon as he feels the rope tighten. I'm just waiting on my Blocker Ring, but in the meantime, I'm trying to fix his tying issue myself.

My barn has solid metal round fencing. I loop my horse's lead rope around the top bar and hold the end so he has about a foot and a half of loose rope. Then, I tell him to stand. If he starts to pull back, he has enough rope to sort himself out with and if he requires a bit extra, I let it out and allow him to reason through it. Once he's calm and has stepped forward, I give him some praise and gather up the rope I let out. We do this over and over until he stands completely still. Right now, we're up to 10 minutes and doing well.

By teaching him what the command 'stand' means, I'll be able to leave him anywhere. Once he listens to that command without fail, I'll be able to teach him how to ground tie, which is another valuable thing for a horse to learn.
     
    09-19-2011, 01:33 PM
  #19
Trained
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Originally Posted by Courtney    
By teaching him what the command 'stand' means, I'll be able to leave him anywhere. Once he listens to that command without fail, I'll be able to teach him how to ground tie, which is another valuable thing for a horse to learn.
Agreed.
     
    09-19-2011, 03:26 PM
  #20
Foal
There are two schools of thought to this. Andi have seen both work. It is just up to the individual. Use the tie ring and allow the horse to relieve himself of tension (which I like ) and works


Or

get deflated rubber innertube ( a kind for a bicycle tire) and tie the horse with that.

It gives but not enough so the horse can keep going back since it only gives so much. The horse will learn it can't get away by pulling back and backing up and won't hurt himself. (although I have seen some fall down sooo..safest route is probably tie ring)

If you watch a horse that is tied it will pull back and then if it can't get away lunge forward.



But that is my opinion. :) I don't know if someone else mentioned it or not. I would probably go the tie ring route.

As you CAN adjust the pressure and tension as people have suggested.
     

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