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post #11 of 34 Old 12-30-2012, 10:02 AM
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Now now, you will not get much help on here if you become defensive so quickly. Take a deep breath and remember that no one knows you and therefore cannot properly assume whether you are or are not ******ed. LOL.
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post #12 of 34 Old 12-30-2012, 10:16 AM
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I tap with the hoof pick like FM, but I've seen a lot of people use the rope to teach a horse to pick up their feet. If you do use the rope, use a soft cotton rope no nylon.

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post #13 of 34 Old 12-30-2012, 10:23 AM
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Do you think the issue is that he truly does not know what you want or is he just being disrespectful? IF, AND ONLY IF, you think that he is being disrespectful, this is what I would do. Try picking up the foot, if he will not give it to you, untie him and ask him to move in small circles around you. Small and quick enough that he has to put some effort into it. Just a few at first. Stop, ask for the foot again. If he picks it up, praise him. If not, repeat, but for a little longer this time. He should soon figure out that giving you his foot is much less work.
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post #14 of 34 Old 12-30-2012, 10:36 AM
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okay do you think i am completely ******ed or something? i KNOW that cross ties will not stop a horse from moving its feet! But in this case i do think it would be a little more helpful to be tied on both sides of his head using cross ties, rather than tying a lead rope from under his chin, giving him alot more mobilitiy with his head and also the rest of his body. im not saying it would keep him from moving, im saying if his head was less mobile, it would probably keep him alot less apt from moving parallel, or 90 degrees from his starting point. that is the point i am trying to make with the cross ties.
Well, I didn't before........now I'd have to go with the "something."
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Originally Posted by RATHER BE RIDING View Post
Do you think the issue is that he truly does not know what you want or is he just being disrespectful? IF, AND ONLY IF, you think that he is being disrespectful, this is what I would do. Try picking up the foot, if he will not give it to you, untie him and ask him to move in small circles around you. Small and quick enough that he has to put some effort into it. Just a few at first. Stop, ask for the foot again. If he picks it up, praise him. If not, repeat, but for a little longer this time. He should soon figure out that giving you his foot is much less work.
i think i should try this, ill take a better look at him this evening when i go back out, and just judge his body language again to make sure, but i think partly he doesnt know how to atleast pick it up correctly, and partly he just doesnt want me to have it. he will do anything he can to keep that foot planted. he knows i want it, i very lightly hold it and massage it and pull on his fetlocks or just grasp them sometimes, i do all kinds of things and he just sticks it in the ground harder.

i think a few small, unaggetated(spelling), circles might help him realize just to give me the foot. i will try this this evening

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post #16 of 34 Old 12-30-2012, 05:24 PM
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When we got Harley, you couldn't touch his back legs. The only way to trim them was to tie them outstretched to a pole or tree. Then I started working with him. First, getting him accustomed to being touched back there. Started with touching his butt and slowly working down his leg. Then I worked on HIM picking up his leg. I emphasize that he is the one to pick it up because I want him to choose to do it.

There are several ways people ask a horse to pick up their leg. The most common are squeezing the tendons above the fetlock or pulling on the fetlock. This is how I do them. Start with your hand up by their body and slide it down the leg. Front legs I use the chestnut to cue them to lift. Once there, I squeeze the chestnut and if the don't lift I will twist it. The back legs I do the same but use the "knee" part, not sure of its correct name but the joint that sticks out back. If that doesn't work, I will slide my hand down to just above the fetlock where you can feel the tendons. I will squeeze with just my fingers, then my fingernails and finally, if needed, I will push the hoof pick into there. As soon as they lift, let go and rub on their body. With practice they will lift when you slide your hand down the leg.

The idea is not to hurt them. It is to ask, sliding the hand down. Suggest, squeezing. Tell, create uncomfort/pain.

Back to Harley. After I did this with him, he will lift his back leg before I even slide my hand down. All it takes is practice and consistency.
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post #17 of 34 Old 12-30-2012, 05:58 PM
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When I was training my horse, I should have done something different. I wanted to see how much she trusted and respected me, so I got her to lay down. She did the perfectly, but I used her legs to get her to lay down. When it came time to start picking up her feet, She would do it perfectly too, but if I would hold her feet to long, she would bow down and try and lay down, as that is what she thought I was telling her to do.

It took a while, I stopped laying her down and just worked on picking up feet nicely, and now she is better.

So what I am trying to say, is yes, your horse probably is confused on what you want him to do when you try to pick up his feet.
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It sounds to me as if this horse has you absolutely taped and is just taking the mickey.

If he would not pick up his foot and leaned into me when I asked for it I would first pinch his chestnut. This usually makes them pick up their front foot.
I would also not tap him with the hoof pick but would poke it into his heel.
When he started moving around I would raise his front leg so that the toe was up to the outside of his forearm and up to his elbow. if he moved I would raise it a little higher and the moment he stood lower it to a more comfortable position.
When the hoof is up high you can easily hold it with one hand and use the other to give him a good slap on his belly to let him know that you are not going to take his nonsense.

He is behaving badly and odds are he knows it. Be a lot firmer with him, I would be and odds are that I would be able to have him pick up his feet the moment I started to run my hand down his leg.
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post #19 of 34 Old 01-05-2013, 08:33 PM
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When a horse leans into me when I attempt to pick up its hoof I will either a) press my hoof pick into the muscle just above their elbow (for a front hoof, just above the knee for a hind hoof) until they shift their weight off the hoof (thus allowing me to pick it up) or b) grab the hair on fetlock and (gently!) tug upward until they left their hoof. Then lots of praise and set it back down. Some people will pinch the tendon running down the backside of the leg, but I've never had much luck with that.

To ask for a hoof I will grasp the leg about halfway up and slide my hand down towoard the hoof while saying the command "give". If I don't get the hoof I proceed to either a) or b). Generally I only have to do this a couple times before the horse figures out that it is much easier to just give me the darn hoof lol
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post #20 of 34 Old 01-05-2013, 09:47 PM
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Could everyone please consider very carefully the implications of what you are saying when you are using the word ******ed.

You are off hand using a word that has for at least the last forty years been used to label people with who struggle every day of their lives to learn the most simple of tasks, and they do so with heart and courage.

You are taking that word, and making it a baseline for scorn.

There is a litany of other words that you can use that don't have the same shameful heat attached to them.

Please choose a different word. For some, it's like a dagger in the heart to have it used so flippantly and carelessly.
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