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post #1 of 48 Old 02-18-2011, 06:47 PM Thread Starter
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*Pictures* barefoot trim critique/opinions

This mare has teeny tiny Quarter Horse feet that have always been tricky for farriers to trim and keep sound, however she was not lame a day in her life until age 22 when our old farrier worsened her heels that like to contract and caused one side of her heel to grow higher. Since then she has been on and off limping and had abscessed numerous times throwout that year. Our newer farrier seems to have salved that problem and corrected the damage from what I can see, her heels have returned to the same height. She has not had an abscess in a years time now, she is 24 now (two years since the start of her troubles). However she is still stiff and sore, I had been thinking arthritis and cold weather but she is on four joint supplements and after further looking into it this seems foot related -again,yet,still- (I know that she IS stiff/older but the tender limping seems foot related, I should say)

These photos are taken after 15 weeks since her last farrier visit so keep that in mind....
Comments, opinions, critique on the trim? I am noticing a huge bulge over her soul and wondering what this is, why its there and assuming this would cause discomfort.






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post #2 of 48 Old 02-18-2011, 11:27 PM
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Oh wow. The bulge is the bottom of P3... I would be worried, very very worried.

From Pete Ramey's web site:

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Telltale "hump" or "footprint" of P3 on the bottom of the foot. The material behind the hump is generally sole. The material in front of the hump; lamellar wedge. If you see this on your horse: I'll put this gently- Panic. It's time for sweeping dietary changes and improved hoof care.
You need to have your mare trimmed frequently and regularly. We have soft ground here, so our horses' feet aren't worn down naturally. I trim my horses every 3-5 weeks. Even on rough rocky or sandy ground, you should have your horses' trimmed at least every 6-8 weeks, to keep their feet properly balanced.

For the best hoof growth, you must start with a good diet. Very low starch, no added sugars, no added "fillers" like corn, wheat, grain sweepings, etc. I feed free choice grass hay, alfalfa pellets, flax, and a vit/min supplement. That's it. No feed or grains. My vit/min supplement has added biotin (10 mg), iodine, zinc, copper, and amino acids, all for optimum hoof health. I get it custom blended from Uckele Equine Nutrition. Horsetech.com has a good one too, called High Point. They will increase or decrease any of the ingredients for you to customize the product (their prices include shipping).

A good article on the importance of diet.
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If your farrier doesn't see anything wrong with the bottoms of your horse's feet or trimming your horse every 16 weeks, then I would find a new farrier, quickly.
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Please help me out < I want to learn what you are talking about. "Bulge?" I don't know where I should be looking. I am really ignorant about hooves. Educate me as if I know nothing.
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There is an obvious half circle shape bulge or ridge between the point of the frog and the front of the hoof. That shouldn't be there. It should be smooth from frog to the toe.
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Right, this is what I have been seeing. She is typically trimmed every six weeks, this is the first time she has gone longer. She doesn't grow fast and is tender now for a couple weeks after a trim which means I have two weeks to ride her between trims. The farrier is coming out Monday and I will be discussing what I see with her.

What needs to be done differently to prevent that? Was my biggest question, why NOW would she grow like that?

She is fed very well, she is on free choice first cutting grass hay. Eats Purina Equine Senior and soaked alfalfa cubes. Supplements include a biotin hoof supplement, corta flex, yucca, boss, apple cider vinegar and flax. She has access to a mineral block.
This is her feed schedule, nothing bad, no fillers and no cheap grain. She was typically (before this "term") trimmed every 6 weeks. So what else can be done? THIS is where I am puzzled.
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Oh wow. The bulge is the bottom of P3... I would be worried, very very worried.
agreed! Hopefully that ridge is just retained soul.. but I would be in a panic about possible rotation, esp since the horse is lame.


To the OP, why did you wait 16 weeks between trimmings? If my farrier ever suggested such a thing (esp with a known problem horse), I would be looking for a new farrier asap!
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Phantom, read above post.

We waited with her because she wasn't growing first of all, secondly because she was so tender for so long after trims and several other reasons.

The farrier is scheduled out for her Monday.

Can someone PLEASE explain to me A. What this is besides a bulge, B. What besides more frequent trimming and diet can be done (Which brings me to state as said in the above post, she is typically trimmed every 6 weeks and she is not poorly fed)
What can be done? How do you get rid of this bulge? Explain why she would have rotated and what possible rotated?

Just telling me you'd all panic isn't helping me understand, I cannot find anything online that's helpful - hence the inquiry on the public forum regarding my much loved life long friend in her older years here....... thanks
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Can someone PLEASE explain to me A. What this is besides a bulge, B. What besides more frequent trimming and diet can be done (Which brings me to state as said in the above post, she is typically trimmed every 6 weeks and she is not poorly fed)
What can be done? How do you get rid of this bulge? Explain why she would have rotated and what possible rotated?
the issue is what caused/is causing the bulge. Inside the foot is the coffin bone (aka p3), which is a wedge-shaped bone that is supposed to be parallel to the bottom (sole) of the foot and the front (toe) of the hoof.





If the coffin bone rotates (which can happen for various reasons), the "point" of the bone tilts downwards, which can result in that bulge you are seeing in your horse. Coffin bone rotation is commonly called "founder."





And the most important things you can change ARE diet and trimmings. A super-rich diet can actually cause laminitis, which can lead to founder. But this is not something to be discussing with strangers on an internet forum--it needs to be discussed with your vet and a good farrier.

And, fwiw, a horse being trimmed properly should NOT be sore for weeks afterwards.
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Thank-you, this is what I was wondering. I have a foundered horse here and the two act nothing alike (granted the foundered horse has been good to go for a year)
This mare has no heat what so ever in her feet and does not stand around trying to pull weight off from her front end. She does however mis-step when she turns either way which is why I was addressing arthritis first.

I could try adjusting her feed but as said, she isn't getting anything "sweet feed", corn, oats, sugar etc.. to begin with so I am not sure aside from strait hay where to switch her to.

Could the way a horse is being trimmed have anything to do with this?

She did not used to be tender after her trims however two years ago when this all started with one heel being jammed up higher than the other she has been touch and go since.
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her mis-stepping when turning could be arthritis or it could be that whatever is going on in her foot/feet is even more sensitive with sideways pressure. Or could be some of both. Or neither.

And the proper diet for any horse beyond the basics is a hard thing to guess at online. Not knowing your horse at all, the best advice I can give is to talk with your vet about your concerns.

If she's been off and on lame for 2 years, something needs to be addressed. What does your farrier say about her being so sore after the trims?
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