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        04-15-2011, 07:48 AM
      #21
    Green Broke
    I would have x-rays done on that foot/leg.

    We had a young mare acting similarly (5 yrs old at the time) and she ended up having ring bone and side bone in one foot. We knew she had issues there, as she had an old injury from some "not very smart" "person" barrel racing her flat out as a 2yr old. She has one foot that slightly twists in and wears differently. X-rays showed pretty advanced low ring bone and a bad case of side bone to boot. She either needs $2,500 worth of surgery or pasture rest for 3-5 years until the bones fuse on their own. Her owner doesn't mind boarding a pasture pet, so she's going to let her sit.

    The horse is sound enough at the walk and will even gallop around with the others ocassionally, but limps badly at the trot and doesn't want anyone on her back. Can't say I blame her . We have her on Smart TLC supplement and keep her thin to reduce pressure on the joint. Her feet are trimmed every 3-4 weeks to keep them balanced, so they won't wear unevenly. We tried specialized shoes/pads, but they didn't seem to help very much.

    Good luck with Chili!
         
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        04-15-2011, 07:55 AM
      #22
    Green Broke
    Have you called UA? They should have a list of equine vets for the Northern part of the state. Dr Nancy Jack, head of the equine program is a very nice lady and is always willing to help out when she can. I know they're in the NW part of the state, but she has an extensive list of contacts.

    If you can haul, you might want to call Dr Palone and make an appointment at his office. He's not my favorite equine vet, but he's good and has a great equine treatment facility. You could have Dr Karen Hooks, our best Chiropractor meet you there and give Chili a treatment as well. I believe she charges $120, for chiro and accupunture both, with a small travel fee. She's very good, and honest. She'll let you know if her work will help or not after her first treatment.
         
        04-15-2011, 08:01 AM
      #23
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by horsecrazy84    
    Wanted to add also that the area around her hip felt tight but around her flank area it was drawn up, like there's not as much muscle there or something. I'll try to get pics and a new video and also find where I saw that lameness info that said if a horse bobs their head up it's a rear end lameness. Can't remember.
    Sounds JUST like my ring bone mare. She was using her hind end to compensate for the bad front foot, which made her muscle sore and very tight in the back. And head bobbing up does not always equal hind end lameness. It can also mean back soreness or muscle soreness in the shoulders/withers.

    Do you have a round pen or other small pen you can keep her in? That would be better than letting her run around the pasture and possibly re-injur herself.

    Also, you want to run with your horse in hand and trot in straight lines to check for healing. It's best to do it over flat/hard ground, like asphalt or a packed dirt road.
         
        04-16-2011, 10:11 AM
      #24
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    Thanks luvs2ride. I'm going to call Monday at a closer vet and see if he could x-ray her. Your info has been very helpful. I have heard of that vet you mentioned.
    Alex, the vet that is 40 minutes away charges an outrageous farm call. It's $85 per HOUR, from the time she leaves her office. It's 40-45 minutes each way then about 30 minutes for an exam. She's wonderful but pricey and we simply can't afford her to come out. Trading vehicles is out also. We've been looking and trying to save for a truck to haul the horses ourselves but haven't had any luck so far. Until we are able to find anything out she'll be on pasture rest with no lunging at all, no riding. I'm still going to start her on some supplements and see if it helps but the way things are now I guess she's done being a riding horse for a long time :(
    The only area I could put her in is down under the barn but it stays muddy, it's more fitted to a pig lol. It wouldn't be very good for her plus she's never stayed cooped up, I'd be more worried about her hurting herself trying to get out. I think letting her roam the pasture and graze on her own is the best way to keep her happy.
         
        04-16-2011, 11:50 AM
      #25
    Weanling
    I was reading through some of the old threads on here. And I noticed you had a thread about a horse that has a crack in its hoof and the hoof trimming.

    I think it was the same horse you're mentioning now?

    But I just wanted to say that having poorly trimmed hooves can end up making the horse sore in it's joints and such. Also a sore joint may not be on the leg with a very poorly trimmmed hoof. The horse may compensate and put more weight on the other legs to avoid the pain of that hoof and it will end up making a different leg sore.

    I'm not saying that's what's going on. I just wanted to chime in to help you rule out what is possibly happening.

    An analogy I can think of to compare a poorly trimmed hoof compared to the rest being trimmed better would be..... Putting a high heel on your right foot, then wearing a running shoe on your left foot. If you wear this combination around all day for days or weeks at a time you're going to get real sore.
         
        04-17-2011, 09:02 AM
      #26
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by horsecrazy84    
    Thanks luvs2ride. I'm going to call Monday at a closer vet and see if he could x-ray her. Your info has been very helpful. I have heard of that vet you mentioned.
    Alex, the vet that is 40 minutes away charges an outrageous farm call. It's $85 per HOUR, from the time she leaves her office. It's 40-45 minutes each way then about 30 minutes for an exam. She's wonderful but pricey and we simply can't afford her to come out. Trading vehicles is out also. We've been looking and trying to save for a truck to haul the horses ourselves but haven't had any luck so far. Until we are able to find anything out she'll be on pasture rest with no lunging at all, no riding. I'm still going to start her on some supplements and see if it helps but the way things are now I guess she's done being a riding horse for a long time :(
    The only area I could put her in is down under the barn but it stays muddy, it's more fitted to a pig lol. It wouldn't be very good for her plus she's never stayed cooped up, I'd be more worried about her hurting herself trying to get out. I think letting her roam the pasture and graze on her own is the best way to keep her happy.
    That's just crazy! My vet is about 30-40 minutes away and his farm call fee for non-emergencies is about $45. He doesn't charge any farm call if we have routine care (shots and such) for 4 horses or more. And he is one of the best in Central AR, with all the fancy equipment and a great following.

    Your pasture rest plan is probably best. Just keep her feet well trimmed and balanced and see how things go. I also agree with TF above, a poor trim can lead to or make worse joint or lameness issues.
         
        04-18-2011, 08:46 AM
      #27
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    Originally Posted by luvs2ride1979    
    That's just crazy! My vet is about 30-40 minutes away and his farm call fee for non-emergencies is about $45. He doesn't charge any farm call if we have routine care (shots and such) for 4 horses or more. And he is one of the best in Central AR, with all the fancy equipment and a great following.
    Just because your vet bills differently does not make this vet's practices crazy.
         
        04-18-2011, 10:58 AM
      #28
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    Just because your vet bills differently does not make this vet's practices crazy.
    $85 an hour that is billed during travel time? Yes, that is crazy. There is no way I would pay that. Standard practice is to charge a call or travel fee, based on milage. That has been true for every vet and vet/chiropractor I have used, here in Arkansas and when I lived in San Diego. I would never pay a professional fee for someone's travel time. It's ridiculous. If the vet doesn't want to travel, or only wants to travel within a certain radius, then that's fine, but to charge such an exorbitant amount for travel time is borderline unethical IMO. For exams and treatment, sure, $85 an hour is fine. That's what I pay my mechanic to fix my car. But he doesn't charge me that for the time he spends on the phone with me, picking up my parts, or test driving the car before/after he fixes it.
         
        04-18-2011, 11:03 AM
      #29
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    Originally Posted by luvs2ride1979    
    $85 an hour that is billed during travel time? Yes, that is crazy. There is no way I would pay that. Standard practice is to charge a call or travel fee, based on milage. That has been true for every vet and vet/chiropractor I have used, here in Arkansas and when I lived in San Diego. I would never pay a professional fee for someone's travel time. It's ridiculous. If the vet doesn't want to travel, or only wants to travel within a certain radius, then that's fine, but to charge such an exorbitant amount for travel time is borderline unethical IMO. For exams and treatment, sure, $85 an hour is fine. That's what I pay my mechanic to fix my car. But he doesn't charge me that for the time he spends on the phone with me, picking up my parts, or test driving the car before/after he fixes it.
    I will say it again, just because your vet does not do it that way does not make it wrong.

    Fine you would not use them. But how is charging by mileage much different?

    It is in no way unethical of the person being billed that way knows they are being billed that way.

    And there are plenty of things in life that you pay by the hour starting from the time the person leaves their place. Like plumbers, copier repair people, etc. It is not an unheard of practice at all.

    You not liking it does not make it wrong.

    For the record, my vet charges $75 for the farm call (my place is at the very limit of their service area) and it takes them almost an hour to get there.
         

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