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    04-18-2012, 02:08 AM
  #11
Green Broke
Drum Runner, I think it is cruel to wean at that early of age. Some horses at auction go to nice homes. Most auctions are dumping grounds.
In my opinion what was stated is cruel. Cruel to the foal whom has to be weaned early, fed supplements.., to keep the other foal company.
Go purchase a weaned foal. You can agree or disagree. This is my opinion, and you can have your opinion.
     
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    04-18-2012, 02:12 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by stevenson    
Drum Runner, I think it is cruel to wean at that early of age. Some horses at auction go to nice homes. Most auctions are dumping grounds.
In my opinion what was stated is cruel. Cruel to the foal whom has to be weaned early, fed supplements.., to keep the other foal company.
Go purchase a weaned foal. You can agree or disagree. This is my opinion, and you can have your opinion.
What age do you think is not cruel to wean? Cherie did not state an age for the sales foal, one would assume it would be of weaning age, not a few weeks old.
     
    04-18-2012, 02:17 AM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by stevenson    
Drum Runner, I think it is cruel to wean at that early of age. Some horses at auction go to nice homes. Most auctions are dumping grounds.
In my opinion what was stated is cruel. Cruel to the foal whom has to be weaned early, fed supplements.., to keep the other foal company.
Go purchase a weaned foal. You can agree or disagree. This is my opinion, and you can have your opinion.
That's fine, and I respect that..
     
    04-18-2012, 02:58 AM
  #14
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We have raised so many, and I do not think you could tell any of them from any other colt when they are ready to start under saddle. They are all respectful and easy to handle.

If you want a monster that you will need to get rid of by the time it is 3, just 'play' with it, let it nip and rub on you and let it follow you around. I can guarantee you a monster. They are cute when they weigh 150#. They ain't nearly so cute when they weigh 1000# and want to play.

When I buy a companion foal at a sale, I try to find a Registered mare of decent quality with a foal at side that is eligible for registration. I will wean that foal at 3 1/2 to 4 months after it is eating good, has been dewormed and is in good flesh. I do not want to waste my time and trouble and $$$.

I usually rebreed the mare to one of our stallions so she can be resold with a breeder's certificate. If she is ridable, we will get her riding nicely so she can be ridden through the sale. They usually make money -- well not much when you count feed -- but it is worth it to get a good quality orphan. We have raised some orphans that sold for $10,000.00 or more.

The local horse sale is 3 miles down the road from my house. I bought a gelding there for $975.00 last night. Several sold for more. Out of 200 horses, about 100 to 125 went to Mexico. Joe Simon from Minnesota was there and bought several riders to put through his sale. The guy with him was buying killers.

It is NOT a dumping ground. It is simply an auction where people that legally own horses sell them to whoever wants to buy them. If you bring 'junk' horses, they will go to Mexico. If you bring nice horses in good condition, they will bring a good price. I took a well broke gelding that I did not like 2 weeks ago. He brought $800.00. He did not get along well with other horses as he was very dominant. I bought a nice grade 10 yr old paint gelding last night that I like a lot better -- so far. I need 2 or 3 more 8-12 year old big, stout geldings that will go into the summer trail string to carry big riders. It looks like I will have to pay $800.00 to $1200.00 each for them. They have to be gentle and they have to get along well with other horses.

I don't have time to chase down ads and go look at horses all over the country. I have found that individual s that really want to sell their horse will lie to me worse than the traders at the sale. I can drive 3 miles and look at 25 or 30 of them every other Monday night. So, I like auctions.

The buyers determine the price. Nobody holds a gun on anyone and makes them bid and nobody stops anyone from buying one. Just stick your hand in the air one more time. The 'killer market' determines the 'set in' price. You have to have a 'set in' price to have an auction.

Many Mondays I help families find suitable horses. I don't make a dime off of them and I don't charge anything. I would rather donate my time and knowledge a see someone get a 'safe' horse than have them buy some 'project' for a 12 year old kid. I don't make guarantees and about half of them work out for the buyers. But, they can bring one back in 2 weeks and try again if you get a dud.

This is not a marriage. It is not a 'till death do us part' deal. It is you buy a horse you think you can use and will do the job you have for it and sell a horse you cannot use or do not want. Simple as that. It is a market place for horses. Just like you can go to a flea market and find priceless antiques or collectables or 'junk'. You can go to an auction and determine what you buy and how much you want to pay for it.
     
    04-18-2012, 04:20 AM
  #15
Weanling
These are animals you are talking about, not vehicles........
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    04-18-2012, 08:41 AM
  #16
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These are animals you are talking about, not vehicles........
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Actually......many of the auctions they basically ARE vehicles. The ones I go to are primarily Mennonite and Amish, and it is very much like a used car sale. They are a commodity. Yes, they are also pets for many of us, but we cannot humanize them, nor can we save them all, and this is NOT a thread on the morality of auctions/slaughter. If you want that-start another thread, but it has been done-to death. Maybe just go read some of the old ones. Nothing new will be said most likely.
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    04-18-2012, 09:16 AM
  #17
Weanling
I hate to say it but I am all for slaughter houses. Its a evil necessity. Its the handling while transported and means of how they do it that needs to be regulated. Now as far as auctions go I agree with FRANK and with CHERIE to a point. One about the auction but to keep breeding and then turn around and sell rebred just ads to the over population to begin with. If you have top quality bred horses you shouldnt have to rely on auctions to get them sold. JMO
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    04-18-2012, 09:24 AM
  #18
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These are animals you are talking about, not vehicles........
Exactly -- They're animals. They're livestock. They're 'owned' and can be bought and sold.

No one ever told anyone that they had to sell a horse and no one tells the rest of us that we have to keep one and cannot sell one. What is so difficult about the concept of private property ownership?
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    04-18-2012, 10:00 AM
  #19
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
Exactly -- They're animals. They're livestock. They're 'owned' and can be bought and sold.

No one ever told anyone that they had to sell a horse and no one tells the rest of us that we have to keep one and cannot sell one. What is so difficult about the concept of private property ownership?


Because to many people lead with their hearts, instead of their heads. ( I am not one to talk, btw. I have my gelding who is not able to be ridden, but he is my heart so he stays. Now since I can only afford 1 horse,his upkeep is expensive, I don't get to ride.)

We tend to be unable to fathom that horses are still treated as they were 100 years ago, as a commodity, not your 4 legged friend. I don't see anything wrong with you selling YOUR horse where ever you choose, to whomever you choose. All sales are a crap shoot. You can do all the research in the world and still private sale a horse into a bad situation.
And I don't think it is so much grasping the concept of private sale as it is media coverage, internet coverage, talks show exposure, and general consensus that ALL horse auctions are evil and populated ONLY with a fella waiting to abuse the horse the rest of his short life. All the while he is awaiting transported to a slaughter house in Mexico or Canada. DO I think kill buyers frequent auctions, well umm YEAH. It's an auction, a fast moving sale. Money and paperwork change hands, everyone walks away with what they came for. That doesn't make the auction evil or dirty.

What makes it horrid is knowing that you are taking "Red" to his death. It isn't the auction, it is our minds eye. We see "Red" in a kill pen waiting for the executioner. Most of us have looked at the videos of slaughter plants/killer auctions/kill pens more times than are good for our minds. So we have to project what we know about auctions into the situation. Most people only know that they are killer places.

I think the "horse sale" of my youth would amaze most people who were never privileged to attend the old school auction. Were the horses all in show shape, LOL not on your life. Were their idiots who mistreated the stock going through, Yes. (Idiots will be idiots no matter where) But the auction served a purpose then, and still does now. So in my minds eye, the auction isn't the evilness, that comes from the nature of the people.

Some folks breed them without thought, hurt them, ruin them, then POOF dispose of them. The crying shame for the horse world is that the auctions of yesterday were reshaped by people who see the horse without ANY heart or compassion. They are still a tool. The auction itself is not inherently evil or bad.

Cherie, I have looked at some of your horses. I haven't found anything that would make me not buy a horse bred to one of your studs. From what I have seen they are decent enough to add to the value of a mare going back to an auction. Plus the fact that you send them back better than you got them (training) is a plus for the mares. While you could very well leave them in the pasture until the orphaned foal and their offspring are waiting to be weaned, and do nothing. You make a choice to add to the mare, training, good groceries from the looks of it, and a breeding for foal with a decent chance of a future. Where did the mare lose out in the deal? I don't see it. AND it is really none of my business.
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    04-18-2012, 10:04 AM
  #20
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We don't sell the horses we breed through auctions. Our business is to raise, train and sell them to owners that want a well-trained horse. There is HUGE market for well-trained horses that anyone can ride and that do not come 'un-trained' when they are turned out -- sometimes for years.

We used to market a lot of trained horses through the Triangle Sale and the World Championship Show Sale and through the Ada Quarter Horse sale before that. [It closed down in the late 80s.] When the internet came along, we no longer had to sell good horses through sales. Now, we have a waiting list for 'finished' horses.

There is no over-breeding now. The surplus of horses bred when they were still high (pre-2006) has about been cleared out. It is all about supply and demand. The only problem with Supply and demand is that it lags about 5 years behind the market. No one has the 'crystal ball' to accurately predict the future. We knew the 'foundation' horse business was going to top out and decline several years before it did. Too many fillies were bought just to take home and raise more babies. Northern ranches in Montana and the Dakotas sold their cattle and raised colts for fall production sales for several years -- till the bottom fell out. Most of these 'broodmares' were not even halter broke -- let alone ridden. We do not even think about breeding mares we have not trained and know what their abilities and trainability is.

Last Monday, there was great demand for good mares -- for the first time in more than 5 years, people were buying 'good mares'. Thankfully, I have not had an orphan in about 10 years. We had 1 baby last year sired by a Champion cutting horse and I have 1 two year old. I have 2 on the ground now and 2 still coming. That is the most foals I have bred for in 6 years. I am thinking about turning our last stud out with about 5 or 6 mares next week. I have not decided yet.

We also take out trail riders. I buy and sell the trail horses as I need them. That is what I was looking for Monday. Since I want to use 8 year + geldings, I do not mix the horses we train and sell with the trail geldings. The trail geldings get 'herd-bound' but need to be to keep inept riders that cannot ride at all where they need to be. I keep 4 or 5 of them 'honest' enough to give lessons on and to take out riders that know how to ride. The 'packers' as we call them, just need to be super gentle, very tolerant, stay together and follow the guide. I've have used one gelding 12 years and several have been here, fat and happy, for 8 - 10 years. I have a couple of small kids' horses that are now teaching my granddaughters to ride after 10 years in the trail string. My horses 'have jobs' except for the 10 or 12 mares that I have fed for the last five years because I would NOT take them to the sale. I just could not bring myself to 'ship' them when I had raised babies and sold babies out of their mothers, grandmothers and even great grandmothers. I have a retired old roping mare that is 2/3 crippled, still takes out little kids on a trail ride now and then with a little Bute and has daughters and granddaughters that have been shipped to the UK and Europe. I am riding one of her great granddaughters now.
     

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