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post #81 of 91 Old 11-26-2012, 05:53 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa View Post
It's the circle part of lunging that causes the biggest issues for youngsters. She doesn't have the coordination yet to be able to carry herself correctly in a circle for that long. This will wear excessively on her underdeveloped joints. It has nothing to do with how fast or how long you let her run for, it's the actual physics of lunging that is the problem.
Okay, thank you for that! That is good information to know and I will be very careful with her! Thank you for telling me why it isn't good for her instead of just telling me I am doing something wrong! It was helpful and I'll remember it!

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post #82 of 91 Old 11-26-2012, 07:46 AM
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Lungeing is really bad for her joints, it be much better to just let her loose in the arena for some turn out time. If you can get her turned out outside all the better. Much healthier for a horse to get fresh air. What about hand walking her outside or hand grazing if you have grass
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post #83 of 91 Old 11-26-2012, 08:34 AM
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Lunging, no matter how big the circle is causes joint damage to the point that you will have a lame filly by the time she is 2. And when I say lame, I mean never able to even be ridden because her joints will be so worn out and she will be so full of arthritis.

Why does she not get any turn out time? At that age she should be pretty much living outside until the weather is to bad. And even then most of the breeding barns I worked at the foals lived outside until they were ready to start being worked. And I am in Canada.

At her age she should be able to be hand walked, maybe trotting in hand, learn to square up. You can start introducing her to things like tarps, bridges and just about anything that horses would be scared of. Doing all of this at a young age prepares them for when they are older. Plus it gives you something to do with her that is not hard on her and lets you bond with her. The more scary things you introduce her to now, the better. So when it comes time to take her to a horse show she will know that these things will not eat her. Also umbrellas! Best one. I've seen so many horses spook at a show from someone opening an umbrella.
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post #84 of 91 Old 11-26-2012, 11:06 AM
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NB I believe she's not outside because she's in quarantine for now.
I agree completely with just letting her play in the arena full size - I personally never lunge my horses xD They get taught to lunge walk/trot then never do it again. It's no good for their joints even in adult horses, but adults can handle walk/trot IMO. I wold never canter or run a horse on a lunge line for any reason, if they spook and do go faster I reel them in and bring them back immediately.

We had a pony at our rescue who was lunged young, often and fast. He was used for pony parties on a hot walker. Unfortunately they only lunged him in one direction, his spine became curved, his inside hind leg's tendons were shortened. He was 20 by the time we got him. He was never sound, but he was comfortable so we kept him as a buddy for out blind horse as we knew this horse could never hurt him. At the end of his life, when he lost a whole pile of weight and muscle tone with old age he became severely more lame. We had no idea why, nothing was new or different, but he could no longer pick himself up anymore. So we stayed with him 24/7 when he wanted to lay down we'd put his harness on and lay him down, when he wanted to get up we'd hoist him up again. We thought this was temporary, finally the vet showed up (it was only a day or two after it had really gotten bad). They took x-rays and we realized all his life his hip had been dislocated but the muscle had held him together and made it so he could walk, the vet told us outside of serious surgery and a great deal of pain/rehab there would have been nothing else we could have done for him when we got him anyway. At that point they said all they could do was euthanize him. We did later that week. This is why I detest circles, I know he was an extreme, but with my horses I'll go to the opposite extreme if I must.
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post #85 of 91 Old 11-30-2012, 03:56 AM Thread Starter
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She is outside as often as it is nice enough for her to be outside. When I lunge her, which is very infrequent, y'all can check my blog, it's so she can stretch her legs for a few minutes and at first just to train her to. I haven't lunged her for over a week now.

By the way, I have to get her fit for halter shows in February, how would you all recommend me getting her in shape for that instead of lunging her?

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Have you taught her how to line-drive in a halter yet? This skill will prove useful for when you back her. It's far less stressful than lunging and more mentally stimulating than just running in circles. Bring her over ground poles and tarps and other things to desensitize to.
As for getting her fit... She's 7 months old just leave her be. This would be like a toddler being made to run laps. Fun at first but then it becomes stressful and even painful.

There are so many vital skills a foal can and should learn at 7 months, lunging is just not one of them, unless you want early arthritis and an early retirement.
Everyone gets so in a rush to use their horses young but then they're used up even younger and can't be ridden past their 20s and have no place to go. I've got a rescue full of those horses. Particularly a halter arabian who was mostly crippled before she was 2 but still taken through the riding circuit until there was nothing left on her that works.

Now i know that i'm a bit biased but i would drop the lunging until the horse is full grown you're doing more damage than good. Check out the other forums on'ehat to do with a foal' i've written lists of the hundreds of skills and games foals should/could learn.
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Originally Posted by PunksTank View Post
. Check out the other forums on'ehat to do with a foal' i've written lists of the hundreds of skills and games foals should/could learn.
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Do you have any links? I'd be interested in checking out your lists (and any other good ideas) for my own colt. Thanks!
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post #88 of 91 Old 11-30-2012, 04:55 PM
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Here's a quote from the last list I wrote, I'm sure there's more but this was what I thought of in 5 minutes :P
Originally Posted by PunksTank View Post
There is SO much you can teach this blank little slate!!
Babies are wonderful because there's nothing to unteach, just teach

Once she knows the basic ground work skills:
-yields hind end (with physical hand pressure and with swinging rope pressure, surprisingly pressure from your hand takes more work than moving away from motion)
-Yields shoulder
-backs up (off physical pressure and verbal cue!)
-leads quietly and politely at an appropriate distance at walk and trot
-gives to lateral pressure (turning head with the halter)
-puts head down on cue (great for shifting out of 'flight mode' when they get older)
-Pick head up - out of grass :P
-be tied politely
-stand without being tied
-pick up all 4 feet

Once the basics are down you can teach SO much more!
-touch targets (learn as many different verbal cues for different objects as possible )
-grab targets (picking them up or even fetching them!)
-follow targets (eventually at liberty through or over obstacles)
-stand quietly while you walk around
-give kisses
-give hugs
-pick up feet on verbal or visual cue rather than a physical one
-yield all parts with verbal or visual cue as opposed to physical ones (A point and a word rather than a touch or a swinging rope)
-back up numerous steps on a verbal cue (build it up! my pony will back all the way down my driveway)
-get her verbal cues perfect for walk/trot/halt transitions on lead to eventually prepare for easier mounted work

Oh there's so much more I just can't even begin to list it all I didn't even mention things to practice desensitizing! There is so much to do with untrained horses!! They're wonderful
Have fun! Let the baby have fun - make training a playful game as opposed to a stressful training session - remember we have horses cause they're fun!
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Thanks for asking, petite! You read my mind. And thanks for the great ideas, Punkstank. Will be using these myself with Rebel. :)

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post #90 of 91 Old 11-30-2012, 07:48 PM
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Ahh your pony's name is Rebel too xD I just changed mine's from Rebel to Riot - rebel just didn't fit and I wasn't using it enough ^^ Great name choice though!
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