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        11-28-2012, 04:47 PM
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    ITA with walkinthewalk. Hoof health is more than just biotin (which is just a B vitamin); copper, zinc, iron, etc. are all important to hoof quality as well. The first thing you should look at when you have a problem like poor hoof quality is whether or not you have a solid nutrition plan in place.

    Mane 10 doesn't look like a particularly high quality feed. They don't list the NSC (starch & sugar content) but with corn as the 2nd ingredient you can bet it's very high. The oats and molasses don't help either. It also seems very low in the vitamins it lists. For example, it has 4,000 IU per lb of Vitamin A. For my horse, a ~1050 lb 15hh gelding in light to moderate work, the daily recommended intake of Vit A is ~32,000 IU. So, to get enough Vit A, he'd have to eat 8 lbs of Mane 10. I don't know about your horse, but mine would get pretty pudgy from 8 lbs of feed a day. And vitamin A is important- deficiencies leave horses much more prone to fungal infections like rain rot, among other things. Not to mention that even with 8 lbs, my horse would still fall just shy of the RDI for copper.

    Not sure what the other pelleted feed you're mixing it with, but there really shouldn't be any need to mix feeds unless you're transitioning from one to the other.

    FeedXL.com is a great online resource for determining your horse's nutritional needs. You can enter in the amounts and which brands of feed you're using (it has most feeds already in their database; if you happen to run into one they don't already have, they'll add it for you) and it will show you how that diet is doing as far as fulfilling nutritional requirements.

    If you're interested, the people on this forum could probably help you figure out a diet that's good for your horse- though we won't be able to give you as detailed an analysis as FeedXL.
    That is some excellent information!!! What brand/type of feed do you recommend for me to give him? His coat is dull, his hoofs chip, crack, are flaky. I want him to have a very well balanced and nutritional diet, with adequate vitamins and minerals, as well as grain.
         
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        11-28-2012, 05:30 PM
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    That is some excellent information!!! What brand/type of feed do you recommend for me to give him? His coat is dull, his hoofs chip, crack, are flaky. I want him to have a very well balanced and nutritional diet, with adequate vitamins and minerals, as well as grain.
    I'm on the other side of the country, so I'm not sure what brands are easy to find where you are, but I really like Triple Crown feeds- they use a fixed formula (many of the national brands like Purina and Nutrena do not- they just use whatever happens to be available/cheap at the time), they publish their starch/sugar content information, and they even publish their omega-3/6 content.

    My horse is an easy keeper, so he gets their 30% Supplement (which is a ration balancer)

    How is weight now? Does he still need a lot more, or is he getting close to his ideal weight? How much hay or grazing does he get? Do you have an idea of whether he's an easy/average/hard keeper?

    ETA- I just looked at Blue's pictures- he's a cutey! I admit, I have a thing for dapple grays
         
        11-28-2012, 07:47 PM
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    I'm on the other side of the country, so I'm not sure what brands are easy to find where you are, but I really like Triple Crown feeds- they use a fixed formula (many of the national brands like Purina and Nutrena do not- they just use whatever happens to be available/cheap at the time), they publish their starch/sugar content information, and they even publish their omega-3/6 content.

    My horse is an easy keeper, so he gets their 30% Supplement (which is a ration balancer)

    How is weight now? Does he still need a lot more, or is he getting close to his ideal weight? How much hay or grazing does he get? Do you have an idea of whether he's an easy/average/hard keeper?

    ETA- I just looked at Blue's pictures- he's a cutey! I admit, I have a thing for dapple grays
    Thank you.
    My local feed store does carry Tripple Crown! I'll inquire about it next time I go, and I'll do some research on the internet (they have different kinds right? I don't know what would be best for him). He is at his ideal weight now, the vet just gave him a healthy check up and commented on his improvement. He weighs almost 1100lbs, he is 15hh (vet says he may grow a little more until he's 6 y/o). He's an easy keeper. He gets free choice of coastal hay, pasture turnout 4 days a week, and I feed him a total of 2 quarts of feed in the morning and 2 at night. One week a month I add Sand Clear because FL is all sand under the grass, and this past week I have been adding a scoop of Vita-Biotin supplement. That's all his intake. Well, of course the occasional apple, carrot, or peppermint!

    My local feed store is completely clueless about their feeds. I have asked them several times what would be best for him, and their response is always "Southern States is only $10!"
         
        11-29-2012, 10:04 AM
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    Originally Posted by Elizabethan87    
    My local feed store is completely clueless about their feeds. I have asked them several times what would be best for him, and their response is always "Southern States is only $10!"
    I guess you can see what most of their customers want (or at least what they think most of their customers want)

    The 30% Supplement is great for easy keepers- don't be put off by the price per bag, you only need to feed ~1 lb/day, so it will last almost 2 months . Since he's on free choice hay, he should do fine with just the TC30 and hay, but if you notice him dropping weight you can either add in extra calories (in the form of rice bran, alfalfa, or soaked beet pulp) or you can switch to one of their fortified grains like TC Senior. The only one I'd really steer clear of is their Performance formula, which is their highest NSC product.

    Since you already have the biotin supplement, I'd continue giving it to him for now. It will take a while to see a difference from the supplement or change in diet, as it won't improve the hoof wall that's already there, but will improve the new growth as it comes in. Once he has better hooves, you might try taking him off the biotin and see if it's actually making a difference for him or not.
         

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