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        05-27-2012, 04:16 PM
      #41
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by New_image    
    Honestly?
    Most horses are THAT thin for a reason and the reason is not that nobody fed them. The thinner a horse gets, the less and less and less energy it has.
    Pack on a couple hundred pounds and you stand to get a free trip to the moon.


    I disagree. Yes, Cinny, by all means be ready for him to be a real project under saddle but by no means do all (or even most) horses become thin because THEY were the problem.

    I like the looks of him. Its good that your looking into a vet check, he does appear to stand funny in the pictures but my gut says that's poor pictures taken of a horse who's walking around... not standing. That and thin horses always look goofy.

    Also, I do not see why it would take six months to be able to ride him again and certainly not $5,000-$10,000 to get him there (if we're only talking a foot trim, de-worming, a quick float and then the feed of course)

    This Thoroughbred gelding was being neglected by a boarding stable simply because he required more feed than the owners Arabs and the rest of the boarders horses who were Quarter Horses.

    A few extra cups of beet pulp doesn't do a whole lot in the Thoroughbred world The barn owner swore up and down the horse had a problem so the owner gave me her lovely gelding and eight weeks later I had him looking like this, at which time he was re-started under saddle. Similar story for the many horses I've taken after him.


    I would say a good weight gaining diet for a OTTB costs $150 a month for me. (Pasture, free choice second cut Timothy/Alfalfa hay, grain, beet pulp, corn oil, flax) Now, with you boarding I have no idea what that will run you.

    I think he is lovely and would go for him, personally. BTW nice of you to consider him either way and good luck! Only you know if you are up to a project under saddle and the finances of a second mouth.
    I think with the free choice brome, plus the flakes he gets for dinner will help a lot...and they are included in his board. So is Strategy. So I think there is a good base ration included in my board.... at the stable I am moving from (I move Cinny in a couple of days) This would NEVER have been possible as all feed was up to me to purchase and NOT included in board... the new place is only 25 bucks higher AND it's 15 miles closer to my house!

    It's funny people keep talking about him being a "project under saddle" as if this is a bad thing, or something new for me. No,not saying this out of being offended, I just think it's funny. Every horse I have EVER owned was a project for one reason or another. Michael was an arab with trust issues because his previous owner literally beat him to unconsciousness with a 2X4. Jacky was an OTQH that someone tried to make a jumper no knowing she had incorrectly healed fractures in her shoulders from a track accident....she was a NASTY piece of work... but we got through it in a few years and she turned wonderful. Bear was an appendix quarter with navicular...his owners had him de-nerved and instead of following vets orders and walking him EVERY DAY, they locked him up in a 10X10 box stall for a year. When I found him the vet said he should be put down... 2 years later he was a happy babysitter/lesson horse. Beau was an obese arab that had been left to sit for a year. Pepper was a 5 year old Morgan who's previous only was a girl that did nothing but gallop him everywhere.... yeah, he was fun for the first 6 months ha ha. And then...there is my beloved Cinny... the 7 year old pasture ornament with a bad "30 day training" experience. I don't think I have EVER ridden a horse that wasn't a project for some reason except for lesson horses, to be honest. I guess I don't know what a non-problem horse is like.

    This experience has taught me a few things though. Most importantly HORSES CHANGE.. or at least have the ability to change... their physique, their manners, and the way they view the humans in their world. THEY are not responsible for what they become, WE are.

    The way I see this guy is that we have a LOT of time to concentrate on manners and then graduate to ground work before even thinking of getting on him. This is what I did with Cin when I got him too...I don't think I got on him until 2 months after I got him... just manners, ground work, establishing a relationship. I think If I do the same with Dice, it will go a long way and carry over to riding later.
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        05-27-2012, 04:20 PM
      #42
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    Well. Every horse IS a project under saddle for someone!
    I think everyone just wants to make sure that is something you are looking for. If you are cool with it and have the experience then something like this gelding would be great for both of you.

    Keep us posted!
         
        05-27-2012, 04:25 PM
      #43
    Green Broke
    Well, I did it. I just OFFICIALLY told him that I would take Dice unless he has found another home already...... holding my breath waiting for a reply.
         
        05-27-2012, 04:28 PM
      #44
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MyBoyPuck    
    Dice Horse Pedigree

    Yup, he's got Mr. Prospector in him. Haven't met a sweet one yet that didn't have that horse in it's bloodline.
    You know, you're right! He's Excel's great-grandsire, too.
         
        05-27-2012, 06:01 PM
      #45
    Green Broke
    Now I have to think about the best way to introduce him to Cinny. If all goes well, they will be boarded together in a small dry lot with a very big shelter. It will be relatively new to Cinny too... he is moving there in a couple of days. Dice has to wait for clean coggins to come. I'm not sure how to approach this.

    Cinny has always been turned out with a changing variety of horses at least 3 or 4 times a week. He gets along great with all personalities. If they get too agressive with him he will just go to a corner and stay out of their way and let them know gently that he does not wish to play with them (usually ears pinned and he grits teeth at them, sometimes showing them). But usually he just chills out or hangs with the weaklings to keep the others from getting to rough with them. Usually at our stable we just throw our horses in together, supervise a half hour visit the first time...and then if all goes well, let them hang out.

    But I have no clue how Dice would react. I don't even know if he has EVER been turned out with another horse before. I know that for part of his recovery, it's best for him to be "social" and learn to do horsey things from other horses so it is kind of important to me for him to take this social step.
         
        05-27-2012, 06:44 PM
      #46
    Foal
    Well thanks for letting your husband know your getting that horse!!!! Lol. Jeez I have to find out here!!!
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        05-27-2012, 06:54 PM
      #47
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    Originally Posted by robohog    
    Well thanks for letting your husband know your getting that horse!!!! Lol. Jeez I have to find out here!!!
    I'm so glad my hubby doesn't have an account here, I would be in SO much trouble
         
        05-27-2012, 06:55 PM
      #48
    Green Broke
    Just to clarify: I said it would take six months before he could enter a regular work regime. Not six months before he could be worked at all. Big difference.

    Here is the breakdown of my calculations over a six month time period for a comparable horse with no additional complications:

    Board - $300/month (on the low end mind you)
    =$1800

    Supplements - $100/month (depends on the horse, can be lower, can be higher)
    =$600

    Farrier - $130/6 weeks (also depends, most of mine went through some sort of rehabbing process with hooves, involving shoes prices vary obviously.)
    =$480

    Vets bills - Including teeth, shots, fecal, blood test etc, sometimes several visits.
    $500 (approximation obviously)

    Chiropractor - $100/month(haven't had one yet that hasn't needed it, up to the individual as to whether they want to pursue that avenue).
    $600

    So you're up to just over $4000 for six months. By the time the horse is entering the competitive arena this figure will be much higher. Factor in that the OP hasn't any experience dealing with OTTB's and there is every chance that there will be a trainer involved and I'd say you're going to head over the $5000 mark very quickly. Even if training is free to begin with. Horses that have more serious underlying issues have required more money. It all just depends.

    I was in no way discouraging the OP. As I originally said, I really like this horse and would love nothing more than to see him go to a good home and I wish them both the best.
         
        05-27-2012, 06:58 PM
      #49
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by robohog    
    Well thanks for letting your husband know your getting that horse!!!! Lol. Jeez I have to find out here!!!
    YOU said yesterday we could get him!!!!
         
        05-27-2012, 07:03 PM
      #50
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    And....she's now in debt to the hubby for lots of good dinners and possibly other favors!!!!
    I'm glad you are going for it!!
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