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post #11 of 30 Old 07-25-2012, 09:03 PM
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i have 2 acres split in 3 sections and only 2 horses... end of season I always have some grass for them to graze 12 - 14 hours a day.... when rain hits here grass grows real fast, but I always cut the pastures before I let them on it in the start of rain season....
The shorter the grass, the more sugary/higher fat the taller the grass the more fiber. So cutting your pastures is probably doing more harm than good. This season when all the short little grass comes out is the worst. Most Cushing's horses really need to be kept on a no-fresh-grass diet most of the time, unless it's tall fiberous grass. 12 hours of short grass will do a number on a horse.

Hope that made sense, our Cushing's horse needs to be kept in a field with no grass with hay or hay cubes soaked for her.

He's super adorable - the coat is a concern, that's a clear pituitary issue. Except I've heard some stuff about how horses with fly masks all the time often will grow thicker coats. It seems silly, but horses shed their coats when the light reaches the back of their eyes for a certain amount of time. That's why my blind horse always has a winter coat. So sometimes being shaded from the bright light (as important as it is) can also interfere with their body's natural cycle.

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The shorter the grass, the more sugary/higher fat the taller the grass the more fiber. So cutting your pastures is probably doing more harm than good. This season when all the short little grass comes out is the worst. Most Cushing's horses really need to be kept on a no-fresh-grass diet most of the time, unless it's tall fiberous grass. 12 hours of short grass will do a number on a horse.

Hope that made sense, our Cushing's horse needs to be kept in a field with no grass with hay or hay cubes soaked for her.

He's super adorable - the coat is a concern, that's a clear pituitary issue. Except I've heard some stuff about how horses with fly masks all the time often will grow thicker coats. It seems silly, but horses shed their coats when the light reaches the back of their eyes for a certain amount of time. That's why my blind horse always has a winter coat. So sometimes being shaded from the bright light (as important as it is) can also interfere with their body's natural cycle.
never ending battle!!!! Has anyone else ever heard of flymasks keeping the horse from shedding naturally? I think I am going to go cry now.....
I FAITHFULLY put flymasks on them to keep them comfortable... I flyspray them am and pm.... I take better care of them than I do myself, honestly....
This REALLY SUCKS!!!!! I knew an old man once that sort of "collected" horses...never fed them (only scrap tomatoes and potatoes) and old cow hay...they lived in filth, never had a farrier, never had a vet... and were never sick?????
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I know it's awful- we carefully go through our barn meticulously searching for anything they could get hurt on, cleaning and fixing everything in the barn, then they trip on their own feet and go lame!!

It was only a theory I heard, but it makes sense to me, considering my blind horse never sheds. I don't know.
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The shorter the grass, the more sugary/higher fat the taller the grass the more fiber. So cutting your pastures is probably doing more harm than good. This season when all the short little grass comes out is the worst. Most Cushing's horses really need to be kept on a no-fresh-grass diet most of the time, unless it's tall fiberous grass. 12 hours of short grass will do a number on a horse.

Hope that made sense, our Cushing's horse needs to be kept in a field with no grass with hay or hay cubes soaked for her.

He's super adorable - the coat is a concern, that's a clear pituitary issue. Except I've heard some stuff about how horses with fly masks all the time often will grow thicker coats. It seems silly, but horses shed their coats when the light reaches the back of their eyes for a certain amount of time. That's why my blind horse always has a winter coat. So sometimes being shaded from the bright light (as important as it is) can also interfere with their body's natural cycle.
and my EX farrier told me that 1st grass in the spring was BAD...he called it "hot grass" and told me to cut it, leave it til it browns (usually a day here)...said that made it SAFER for them to eat....

Also...ROCKET would rather die than not eat grass.... I can't get him to eat ANY HAY, except soft clean coastal ( no big sticks ) or peanut hay... which I can not always get? And have been told that is really bad for him too... and he ONLY eats hay in his stall...
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Sounds like he's got a high sugar diet, your farrier was right, it is bad, but cutting it isn't the answer, they're not eating the dead grass (which is bad too) they're eating the yummy fresh stuff underneath.
Unfortunately it sounds like her needs to be put in a field with little to no grass you can try keeping him on the hay he's got, it's better than the grass, or giving him soaked hay cubes (timothy alfalfa mix) which most horses love. No horse would eat hay when they could eat grass so he's gotta be in a position where he doesn't have a choice. I'm surprised your vet didn't mention this, it's fairly typical for cushing's horses and limiting grass intake, especially the short stuff, is a good way to reduce the extremes of Cushing's symptoms.
It's like giving a kid candy all the time.
It stinks we can't spoil them rotten :(
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I am in the process of switching him to safe choice (vet instructions), she said continue beet pulp shreds and alfalpha pellts... also I have to "soak" his hay at least 30 mins prior to feeding... but she did not say to keep him off the grass? Although I really do not have anywhere that doesn't have grass, just his stall.... guess I could try one of those mask things that limit the grass they eat? Have you ever tried one of those???? Always seemed kind of cruel to me in the past.....

And starting tomorrow, I will try not using the flymask....
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isn't there a way to have the grass tested? Or does all grass have high sugar?
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and....(sorry but my mind is on overdrive)... she said start him on quiessence...ever heard any success with that?
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No not all grass, again, the taller it is the more fiber it has. Here's more information: Virginia Equine Research: The Horseman's Guide to Equine Nutrition
Also, if you're going without the fly mask definitely spray him very well, especially his ears and spray in your hand and get his face good too. Bugs can be just as bad as lack of sunlight.
Could you potentially cut a corner in a paddock he could be turned out where it's too small to maintain grass? I wish I had fields like you! You could try those grazing muzzles, I hate them too but if it comes to his health. He also needs to be able to eat hay though, don't stop him from eating just tell him to eat the broccoli not the candy :P
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He sure is a good looking guy. I hope you get his issues figured out. It always sucks when there's something wrong with them.
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