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    08-10-2009, 05:46 PM
  #1
Foal
Any Ideas? (Over heated? Sand Colic?)

This is going to be a long wall but I shall try not to confuse anyone....

On Weds (08.05.09) My 16yr old quarter horse gelding suffered from what I believe to be heat stroke...Let me explain...

At about 10:30AM I noticed that my boy was laying down > standing up > jogging around > laying down > standing up > rinse repeat...Only thing I could think was 'what in the world'...I walked out there talking to him and he never seemed to recognize me not once (not normal even when he's colicky) After finally getting him to stop jogging long enough to get a lead line on him and walking him around his back end kept attempting to buckle and his entire body was quivering...after about 5-10mins of leading him around he finally just collapsed...It took me over 3hrs to get him to stand up again -- I was alone so unable to forcefully try to get him up -- During that 3hrs he would rotate between sprawl out completely, 'sit up', and thrash in and out of rolls and at some points just be flat out laying on his back with his feet pointing straight in the air (never seen this before) with me continuously trying to get him up even so far as trying to 'rock' him up at which point he would just flop over almost on top of me -- At some point he was calm enough for me to get 10CC of banamine(sp?)(and allowed me to call the vet) into his neck(muscle) and rinse him off with the hose -- After 3-4hrs I finally was able to get him to stand back up and he seemed to be a bit more aware of what was going on around him -- He lead fine to the cross ties and allowed me to drape towels that had been soaked in ice water over him (vets request as he was extremely hot to the touch and I could not find my thermometer) -- By the time the vet got there(4:30ishpm - 6hrs after I noticed the issues + we live almost 2hrs from vets office) he had a sparkle back in his eyes and seemed almost normal again with a temp of 98.9 -- That vet figured it was heat stroke and gave us some things to help him sweat more(also recommended giving him dark beer!) and keep him in shady and/or under fans for the rest of the summer..

By 8pm that night(still weds) Prince was down again but this time with less delirium --- I called the vet(same vet office different vet) who could not come out right away but would be out asap...After another dose of banamine(sp) Prince was comfortable again until the vet got there around 1AM -- After tubing nose and butt and taking poop samples it was concluded he had sand impaction/colic and was still dehydrated -- This vet recommended leaving the nose tube in(which we did as we do have a way to keep him secure) to be able to force fluids into him every 3hours -- For the rest of the night and into the early morning he seemed fine(with us putting liquids into him every 3hrs like the vet requested!)...

By 9ish AM Thursday morning he still had not pooped nor pee'd by himself in about 24hrs so we recalled the vet (same office yet another vet!) who came out by around 3pm and forced more fluids into him --- rechecked his bum and said everything there was fine or seemed fine and gave us Hydro-Lyte to give him in his water for the next 3 days -- Again Prince seemed ok by that evening...

Friday -- Prince seemed very uncomfortable and weak by Friday late morning (11ish) but was very interested in a walk to hand graze -- He proceeded to lay down and munch on grass for about 30mins before I made him get back up at which point he urinated for the first time I had seen in atleast a day (its not often we catch our horses pee'ing so I wasnt overly worried yet) and it looked like the Iodine Shampoo that Mane n Tale sell -- Alarm bells go off and I get prince back to his lil field where we have him secured/in shade with fans and call the vet! (same office - vet number 1 again) She feels that its a very bad sign that he had been dehydrated for to long and his kidneys are failing and he needs to be brought to the clinic asap but before you bring him make sure you bring a $1k deposit(-.-) -- If you don't bring him continue to force liquids down his tube -- I of course can not afford that so its instant tears after getting off that phone -- He continued to seem more and more miserable Friday and still not pooping at all to the point that we knew we had to make some kind of decision -- The vet called to check on him around 8pm that evening and felt he would not make it through the weekend -- At that point I decided to let prince off his cross ties and let him roam his field as he wants(If this was his last night then darnit he's going to be comfortable!) -- He kept trying to get the tube out as he couldnt eat or drink on his own with it in his nose so I removed it, gave him 5CC banamine(sp) to try to make him feel a little better, kissed and hugged him and said good night....

By 1AM Saturday Morning (Friday Night) he was on his feet he was nibbling on grass and soaked alfalfa and already had 2 piles of poop -- By 10am Saturday morning you could tell he was still slightly uncomfortable but happy -- He called back to me when I poked my head out the back door and said hello handsome! He followed me around the small field as I counted his piles of poop and he chomped down on some REALLY soaked down feed as well as the alfalfa cubes and wet grass I picked -- It took him almost all day to eat his 'breakfast' but he was a happy camper chomping away and evening he was happy to start again on his 'dinner'

Sunday Morning -- Normal urine, 3-4 piles of poop and another happy greeting but still some uncomfortable movements ....

Monday -- same as above....

During this time he has had electrolytes, metamucil, bran mash(included in his soaked feed), a powder that the name escapes me to help him sweat, and all the water soaked alfalfa (and I do mean water soaked - its more of a tea than alfalfa) he can stand atleast 2x's a day...

The vet is due out to check on him tomorrow morning around 9AM -- A horse who was not suppose to survive the weekend and that no one is 100% sure of exactly what is/was wrong with him...

He is not 100% he still randomly bites at his tummy and his stomach is sucked in more than not but there are belly sounds and his temp has not gone over 101 since Weds delirium..I am completely stumped!

This has been my baby since he was 2yrs old my first horse ever and I am completely bumfuggled as to what it going on with him -- The ONLY difference he has had is that an old shoe boil has returned from over 12yrs ago...Its full of fluid where as last time it was solid and we surgically removed it...now he doesnt show any more so I felt no need to remove it (put on the old round boot and carry on with ur life), it actually sprang back up the day before he had 'heat stroke'

Thanks,

Nicole
     
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    08-10-2009, 06:26 PM
  #2
Yearling
I would highly recommend that you get this horse to a good equine vet. Your horse could very well still have an impaction though not a full one or another serious issue going on. So many things about this treatment plan just don't sound right to me. I can't imagine leaving a nasogastric tube in horse at an owner's place. No bloodwork at all was done even when heat stroke and colic were suspected? And then none when there was a concern of renal damage/failure? No recommendation of IV fluids. It could be that we are simply not getting the full picture from your post, but this is not a situation where I would take a wait and see attitude. The fact that your horse has continued to show pain and your vet has you feeding him and is recommending dark beer are all warning whistles.
     
    08-10-2009, 06:38 PM
  #3
Weanling
I have a gelding that exhibited very similiar symptoms - my Vet kept thinking colic, sand colic - she would suspect impaction, tube him, sometimes the pain would be so significant she would hang IV bags - this went on for a time - I was so frustrated. I was so careful but he'd have those episodes no matter what lengths I went to. Finally, a newer Vet in that same practice suggested we look at the possibility of gastric ulcers.
I said NO WAY could he have ulcers - he lives the life of Riley! Well, long story short, HE DID HAVE GASTRIC ULCERS! I was past stunned. She did some initial doses of GastroGard then prescribed Nurti Buffer (sort of a Maalox type tummy buffer) and he takes that once a day - 30 cc by mouth -and it's like mystery solved! I would be suspect if there is obvious tummy pain but not classic colic symptoms. I thought you were writing about my gelding - seriously! The very best of luck to you - that Nurti Buffer is around $60 a gallon - at 30 cc per dose, it lasts next to forever!
I also feed a low starch feed - it's hind gut digestible and easier on the tummy. I also use a ProBi Powder daily (my Vet recommended that) - just another little insurance policy!
     
    08-10-2009, 07:10 PM
  #4
Foal
Hard to know without actually being there to get the full impact.. but ulcers or stones would be my guess. Do you have a teaching school near you? My suggestion for a next step would be to get him to a large animal hospital to be checked. Don't be afraid to talk to them about finances, most will really work with you especially in diagnosing a problem.
     
    08-10-2009, 08:51 PM
  #5
Foal
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Originally Posted by Ryle    
I would highly recommend that you get this horse to a good equine vet. Your horse could very well still have an impaction though not a full one or another serious issue going on. So many things about this treatment plan just don't sound right to me. I can't imagine leaving a nasogastric tube in horse at an owner's place. No bloodwork at all was done even when heat stroke and colic were suspected? And then none when there was a concern of renal damage/failure? No recommendation of IV fluids. It could be that we are simply not getting the full picture from your post, but this is not a situation where I would take a wait and see attitude. The fact that your horse has continued to show pain and your vet has you feeding him and is recommending dark beer are all warning whistles.
The vet actually told us to not feed him until tomorrow(Tuesday) but when Friday night came around and he was completely weak and uncomfortable and like I said we figured we would have to make a decision that night we let him loose, took hose out, and fed him..If that was going to be his last night he was not going to die tied to a tree, he was going to die free in his field (and he improved a crap ton after we did all that)

No bloodwork period done correct(or recommended).

They did want to do IV's but only at the clinic and as I stated I can't afford the $1k deposit which lead to the other idea's they gave us.

They recommended dark beer to help with the heat and to produce sweating when they thought it was heat stroke originally...
     
    08-10-2009, 09:09 PM
  #6
Yearling
I would seriously seek the advice of annother vet! I can not believe they did not give fluids! I give IV fluids all the time in the race barn - there is no need to go to a clinic. Ask about a banana bag, some straight up fluids and possibly lasix. If his urine looks that dark, you need to get thoses kidneys going. $1000.00 for fluids??? Uhhh, that's a little steep!
SS you are going through this - it must be heartbreaking. I hope for your sake and for the sake of your beloved friend that you find a vet more competent and able to help you!
     
    08-10-2009, 09:11 PM
  #7
Yearling
Oh, I also meant to agree with PP - NO BLOODWORK??? That should have been step 2 after fluids. Your answer lies in the bloodwork - I can almosr guarantee!
     
    08-10-2009, 09:26 PM
  #8
Super Moderator
I am surprised there was no blood work, that's usually the first thing my vet does when Pistol has issues (to make sure the kidneys and other organs are functioning correctly and to check for bacterial infection and what not). I went through something similar when Pistol was in his late teens. He would lay down and get up, he was off his feed a little, not entirely. He had poop that was like water and he would get dehydrated, and his eyes had no light in them. We never found out exactly what was wrong with him. His bloodwork came back normal and we continually treated him for sand colic. It took almost 2 years to get him over it. I wish you luck. If you can find another vet, I know it costs money, but I think it would be worth a second opinion.

Good luck.
     
    08-10-2009, 10:24 PM
  #9
Yearling
Yes, IV fluids can be done in an owner's facility should the owner be competent to monitor fluids. And someone would be able to sit with the horse for an hour or more to get a large amount of fluids into him.

Blood should always be drawn BEFORE IV fluids are given otherwise results will be skewed.
     

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