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post #11 of 46 Old 12-07-2012, 01:17 PM
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The really big issue if you use only fendenazole or Panacur is that you may not be killing all the strongyles. I was getting a lot of strongyles showing up on fecals with Panacur. I now usually rotate between strongid P and ivermectin. I have never had a bad reaction, but I did get a positive fecal floatation recently. I plan to retest about two weeks after using ivermectin again. I'll have to see how that goes.

I have also heard people say that their horses got sick after using Quest.

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Honestly, if you study and type field that has a research aspect you can skew any data in favor of one thing or another. You have to look at the numbers of the study to see how accurate the study was and look at WHO did the study (if the makers of power pac did the study of course the results will be in their favor). Also, I know for people, if *one* person reports something like dry eyes during a medication trial they MUST list it a side effect of the medication.

The other thing to think about is people are always willing write bad reviews, no one ever posts about how the wormer did its job and their horse is happy and healthy. You have no idea about that horses health status or if the owner even gave a correct does! There are SO many variables when listening to a person self-report a review. I know people who will get up in arms over a loose poop...

To give or not to give is the question and it will ultimately be determined by you but its important to remember to not believe everything you hear. Make your own informed decision.
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That was my point, I don't have any way of determining the merit of any of the claims (except fly's - I am sure of her report) so I do not necessarily "believe" the reports, it is just the seed of doubt that starts working on your mind. Much like the fear of "ghosts". There are quite a few people that report wonderful results. But, then - its the same public that is using panacur powerpac, and I do not see many reports of adverse effects from the use of said product. I am pretty diligent when I do a document search and review current studies, their individual stated methods, instrumentation utilized, by whom it was performed, etc., in an effort to weigh the credibility. I do find it a bit interesting that I was unable to locate any study that addresses the reports of adverse effects.

I'm playing it safe for now. Panacur power pac is about 100 bucks more (for 2) and a lot more hassle, and I might very well change my mind some day...but currently my nerves couldn't handle the slightest physical "hiccup" from it.

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SlideStop I agree, it didn't dawn on me for a few weeks. (It was terrifying!)
I did not overdose though, vet advised me on each horse. 900 lbs. for Rick which was dead on then. I'm thinking he was more sensitive to it than the others which were fine.

Missy it did get him a 3 month rest, LOL! He's pretty undermuscled now because of it, we've got our work cut out for us! You are lucky in those regards, mine are on pasture and E's pony brought some funky stuff home. I quarantined her for two months but guess I didn't get everything eradicated, grrrrr. Hugs, poor Jolene, but poor you! I couldn't choke down oatmeal without drowning it!! (Go grow you some stevia, it's cheap, LOL!!)
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$100? Wow, that is a lot of money.

I just looked it up, and they claim 96 - 98 % efficacy. I think that when I used fenbendazol, it was not the 5 day treatment. I would have to have a clear problem to pay $100 if it is just for one horse. I would pay $500 if there was nothing else that worked, but there are other things. The only way that you could consider a one time 5 day treatment to be all that effective is if you also treated your pastures or if you moved them to a totally clean environment. I don't have enough pastures to absolutely leave them empty of horses long enough to kill all the worms in the feces out there.

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I too have questioned using moxidectin (Quest) and actually had a vet out the other day for some other critters and I asked about it.
Specifically about using it in rotation with the others as per the AVMA recommendations and he said yes he recommends it. I asked about the problems associated with it and he said yes there have been some problems, but the issue is usually weight and not calculating it correctly. (Of note, this was more of a crusty old timer type of vet who was able to make a farm call. There are very few vets who make farm calls here and I usually have to load up and haul said animal to a good vet. But I can’t always do that.)

However, it is a known fact that some dewormers cannot be used in certain breeds of dogs but are fine for other breeds, so I am not surprised that some horses may react to moxidectin, even when used correctly.
Also, sometimes bad reactions in animals or people to a given medication or injection can be traced to the carrying agent than the actual drug is put into, and not the medication itself.

I also know that other classes or dewormers have much lower incidences of causing problems or they have a wider margin of error for many types of animals (in general.)
Because of all of this, I consider using moxidectin a calculated risk and since at this point there are other drugs to choose from within that rotation group, I personally choose not to use Quest even with one local vet‘s opinion that it is ok.
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I have a tube of Quest Plus ready to give to my horse in the next week or two. I asked my vet which product she recommended to cover tapeworms and this is the one she recommended; I was mostly undecided between Quest Plus and Zimectrin Gold. Fenbendazole doesn't kill tapeworms, so Panacur wasn't even on the table.

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I won't do quest because I have a mini and if you overdose just the slightest but with a mini it will kill them. I buy panacur a powerpac. Alot cheaper then quest, atleast in my area. Quest was almost $100 for a powerpac and panacur was only $62.
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I've never heard of a Quest PowerPac, and I'm not even sure why you'd need to use one in a regular rotation. As far as I can tell, the Panacur PowerPac is just 5 double-dose tubes of their regular Panacur/fenbendazole paste given daily for 5 days; it's designed to kill of encysted small strongyles, which a single dose of fenbendazole won't get. As far as I'm aware, there's nothing Quest Plus will kill in multiple doses that it won't kill in just a single dose.
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$100? Wow, that is a lot of money.

I just looked it up, and they claim 96 - 98 % efficacy. I think that when I used fenbendazol, it was not the 5 day treatment. I would have to have a clear problem to pay $100 if it is just for one horse. I would pay $500 if there was nothing else that worked, but there are other things. The only way that you could consider a one time 5 day treatment to be all that effective is if you also treated your pastures or if you moved them to a totally clean environment. I don't have enough pastures to absolutely leave them empty of horses long enough to kill all the worms in the feces out there.
It's $100 more total than it is for quest for 2 horses - a much better per horse figure for me. I agree, though, I won't just randomly give my horses a powerpac. But, strongyles showed up in my new filly's recent fecal exam...so not just a clear problem, one of the worst. The manure is removed at least once a day every day from their corral...sand, no grass. Once negative, they tend to stay that way.

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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I have a tube of Quest Plus ready to give to my horse in the next week or two. I asked my vet which product she recommended to cover tapeworms and this is the one she recommended;
Just FYI...you might want to look at Equimax for tapeworms.

I'd be very interested in hearing anything that you observe "out of the ordinary" after you administer the Q - plus.

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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Here is what it looked like. (terrible video, I was freaking out, and alone, talking like a dope) AGAIN, not saying 1,000% for sure, but I suspect it to be the case.


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And my barn needed a good cleaning! GAH! It was a bad day.

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