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    11-06-2012, 11:05 AM
  #1
Weanling
Anyone seen similar symptoms?

6 year old Paint mare

-Bucks when riding (yes, this is most likely behavioral but maybe not paired with her other symptoms)
-Extremely grumpy and has kicked out when touching her sides and belly...especially does NOT want the curry anywhere near those areas (I have gotten it under control but only because she knows she will get in trouble for doing it...I can still read in her body language that she does NOT like it)
-Recently started biting at her sides, occasionally she will bite at her belly as well, lifting her back leg up to get to it
-Most of the time the biting is on her right side
-Does not like her withers/shoulder area touched
-Eats fine
-Poops fine etc.
-In turnout with an older mare that she is attached at the hip with when she is out there (she's not herd bound though, she comes right to me when I arrive) and a gelding that my mare and my mare's buddy kind of boss around

**This mare reacts to pain. When I first got her, she was going great for the first 3 months I had her - never threatened to buck. I got a new saddle and got bad advice on the fit. I used it for a month and during that month she got grumpier and grumpier until eventually she started kicking out and bucking. Had a chiropractor out and she was in mod-severe back pain. Took her out of riding for 2 months and got her better. Got back on and the problem is not solved (still bucking) although chiropractor says she is in perfect shape other than a little stiffness due to her always being so tense. She has always been weird about people touching her sides. Ground manners are perfect - I could enter a halter class with her no lead rope and she'd do great. She is otherwise a very sweet and willing mare. As an example to how she reacts to pain, the other day I was out with her grooming her and she started acting grumpy. Made her lunge as soon as she lifted her leg. When I was lunging her, I noticed her right eye looked dark (almost bruised) around it and it was goopy. Looks like she got mud in it. I wiped out the goop and put some topical antibiotic in it. As soon as I finished with her eye, she stood quiet and still for grooming and was very sweet. Many people are telling me that her issues are behavioral, but I can't help but wonder if this mare is in pain.
     
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    11-06-2012, 11:08 AM
  #2
Trained
Id have her checked for uclers first.

If she was cleared from that, id be adding MareMagic to get diet or trying a Depo birth control shot for her mood swings. Some mares are just...horomonal.
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    11-06-2012, 11:10 AM
  #3
Trained
I'd go with pain. I'd have her checked for ulcers and have her back thoroughly checked out. Could also be her hips/hind end - if she was going oddly to compensate for the back pain she could be sore elsewhere.
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    11-06-2012, 11:12 AM
  #4
Weanling
I thought that too, but someone told me if she is bucking like she is that she can't be in that much pain because throwing her body around like that would increase the pain....but I don't really buy into that. If bucking is their only method of communication to tell that something is wrong and their already in pain...why not buck?

Also....she ground drives just fine. It's only in the saddle that she's grumpy.
     
    11-06-2012, 11:14 AM
  #5
Weanling
Last time the chiropractor was out she said the only spot that she's really tense in was her left hip. She told me to find a flat stone from the beach and rub that spot every time I see her to try and make her less tense. I've been doing that and she does enjoy when I rub that spot.
     
    11-06-2012, 11:14 AM
  #6
Started
I would a million times check her for ulcers or a cyst - either of them - how long have the symptoms been going on? What does her diet consist of - if you can list the ingredients in any grain? Whats her daily life set up as - has anything big changed in the past few months? Ulcers are usually caused by high exercise levels or high stress levels, so frequent trailering or hard work - but it can also be caused by an improper diet or some horses just get them real easy.
     
    11-06-2012, 11:30 AM
  #7
Yearling
When she has the saddle on are you using a back cinch ?
     
    11-06-2012, 11:32 AM
  #8
Weanling
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Originally Posted by PunksTank    
I would a million times check her for ulcers or a cyst - either of them - how long have the symptoms been going on? What does her diet consist of - if you can list the ingredients in any grain? Whats her daily life set up as - has anything big changed in the past few months? Ulcers are usually caused by high exercise levels or high stress levels, so frequent trailering or hard work - but it can also be caused by an improper diet or some horses just get them real easy.
I got her last October. Where she came from she was on lush pasture the majority of the time (I'm talking LUSH pasture). She was not on grain at that time. I think they would occasionally take the horses in so she was used to being in a stall. She was not worked consistently with the lady I bought her from (she bucked her off once and she got scared, plus she had too many horses and too little time). First time I saw her she crow hopped twice with the old owner on (I got on her and she didn't buck for me). This person only had her for around 3 or 4 months....and my mare was at the breeders her whole life until then so I am third owner, but I have owned her longer than her second owner now. To my understanding, the mare had three months training on her when she was with the breeders and did excellent in training. The breeders got her back and started to work with her and they said "she was just too much horse for us to handle." I don't know exactly what that means and I'm not sure what kind of feeding schedule they had her on there.

When I got her, my trainer and I worked with her every day, except one or two days off for her. For the first three months as I stated (while I was using a saddle that fit her) she did not buck once.

She eats every day on the dot at 4am and goes out to turnout at 5am. They bring the horses in at 4pm and they eat again at 5pm. At first we were only giving her a handful of grain 2x per day but it has been adjusted to fit the amount of work she has. My trainer did mention that if I was at my own facility she would recommend putting my mare out on grass and see how she behaves then. Where I am boarding, in the summer the mares do not get to go out on grass pasture - geldings only. I was coming out at night and letting her out in the pasture for about 30minutes so that she could get some grass (she ate like a mad woman). As far as what she is being fed I would have to double check as I embarrassingly forgot the name of the grain my mare is on. I will post later with the answer to that. I did have her selenium and vit E levels tested and she was at a perfect level (the chiropractor told me to put her on supplements but I was not going to do that without testing first and good thing I did).

The only big thing that has happened is that her best buddy got in an accident and died. A very sad story. My trainer was working with him and his owner. They loosely put side reins on him and walked him a few steps. He was fine and then out of no where he went up and over and landed on his back. They thought he was dead until my horse whinnied and he got up, staggering around looking for her (all the horses were in the barn, and our indoor arena is attached to our stalls and isle ways, so she witnessed the whole thing). He did this numerous more times, getting up every time she called to him. Took the vet 45 minutes to get out there and they had decided to put him down as he had bleeding in his brain etc. It was a few weeks after this that she started biting at her sides. She also was not only turned out with him, but she is on the end stall and he was her only neighbor for the whole year I have had her. She tried to pull me into his stall many times and when I let her loose in the arena she goes to the back stall in the arena where he was put down.

As far as exercise levels she is worked consistently. She has one day completely off and her other "day off" is just a very casual lunging day. She's really not being worked hard because her bucking issue is so severe.
     
    11-06-2012, 11:35 AM
  #9
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Spotted    
when she has the saddle on are you using a back cinch ?
No rear cinch.
     
    11-06-2012, 11:43 AM
  #10
Yearling
Are you able to take a picture of her under saddle. I'm wondering if she has a short back and the saddle is sitting on her loins. If this is the case it will cause her to buck. Have you tried riding bareback ?
I'm also wondering if she has some kind of skin irritation, as she seems very sensitive to the touch, And keeps telling you something is bothering her.
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