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  • Pentosan for muscle soreness in horses
  • Does Pentosan help muscles soreness

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    12-04-2011, 01:50 AM
  #11
Trained
And yet if you find that solution relatively soon (it's just muscular, or it is indeed low-grade arthritis which is easily managed with a course of Pentosan injections) then it ends up costing a lot less... which is where I'm coming from here.

From process of elimination, I'm doubtful that it is indeed arthritis, but Pentosan does no harm and can be used as a preventative to ensure joint health for the future, so there's no harm in trying it anyway. If it IS muscular, which I am leaning towards at the moment based entirely on symptoms, a good chiro/acupuncturist will sort it out. If it's something to do with the way his hooves are balanced (possible, I've been trimming them and I'm not the greatest trimmer around) then the bodyworker we use will be able to diagnose and solve the problem that way as well, as she is a fully trained and qualified barefoot farrier.

And then if it reoccurs with no obvious trigger and does not disappear in the course of a few days I will look into more in-depth diagnostics.

We only just got a specialist horse vet in town, and she's so new to town that I don't know if I can trust her judgement or not... the head vet of the practice seems to like injecting the horse with expensive drugs if he's not sure what's going on, so I don't trust him either.

Now you see why I'd rather sort this out without a vet if I can?

EDIT: and I totally forgot to mention our EBW is also a fully qualified vet, so if there's something she sees that is a medical thing that needs a vet, she'll say something. Her interest is in the horse, not getting paid at the end of the day (though of course she charges like a wounded bull, because she is awesome and it's a way of making sure she can keep up with the demand)
     
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    12-06-2011, 09:39 PM
  #12
Foal
Seriously! You want to compete on this horse next year but you don't want to spend the money to get the vet out?? Talk about selfish!!!

You don't have to spend a heap of money to get a diagnosis. It's not always about a diagnosis either, it's also about exclusions. Get the vet out, do some flexion tests, trot out, trot circle and then talk about what happens next.

Pentosan is not proven to do anything! Most vets will tell you that. There are other injection which are proven to slow down arthritis and may help with arthritic inflammation. There's no undoing arthritic changes. Joint supplements have never been proven to help either - why? Because the doses needed a massive and the horse does not absorb the supplement properly, leaving you with very expensive poo!

Most likely causes for this soreness is

YOU! If you're trimming his feet and aren't very good at it then you are probably making him sore and he is compensating musculary and having referred pain!

YOU! You are jumping him right? Then I would look at sacroilliac and hamstrings. Often they are not sore in these areas yet and have referred pain somewhere else.

When a horse is sore you can't just cut corners and assume. You have to treat it symptomatically. Treat the symptoms and work on the cause. You don't need to spend thousands or hundreds of $$$ with the vet. The vet is far more knowledgable and experienced than you!

Who knows, perhaps a short course of bute, massage, swell down and light lunging will be all you need.

You're horse is abviously in pain as I did read on another site that he's losing weight, but you're too lazy to feed him twice a day. If that is the case, then I bet your poor horse won't get the treatment he needs and will have so called behaviour problems later next year.

Listen to your horse, stop being so selfish and lazy!
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    12-06-2011, 09:49 PM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
And yet if you find that solution relatively soon (it's just muscular, or it is indeed low-grade arthritis which is easily managed with a course of Pentosan injections) then it ends up costing a lot less... which is where I'm coming from here.

From process of elimination, I'm doubtful that it is indeed arthritis, but Pentosan does no harm and can be used as a preventative to ensure joint health for the future, so there's no harm in trying it anyway. If it IS muscular, which I am leaning towards at the moment based entirely on symptoms, a good chiro/acupuncturist will sort it out. If it's something to do with the way his hooves are balanced (possible, I've been trimming them and I'm not the greatest trimmer around) then the bodyworker we use will be able to diagnose and solve the problem that way as well, as she is a fully trained and qualified barefoot farrier.

And then if it reoccurs with no obvious trigger and does not disappear in the course of a few days I will look into more in-depth diagnostics.

We only just got a specialist horse vet in town, and she's so new to town that I don't know if I can trust her judgement or not... the head vet of the practice seems to like injecting the horse with expensive drugs if he's not sure what's going on, so I don't trust him either.

Now you see why I'd rather sort this out without a vet if I can?

EDIT: and I totally forgot to mention our EBW is also a fully qualified vet, so if there's something she sees that is a medical thing that needs a vet, she'll say something. Her interest is in the horse, not getting paid at the end of the day (though of course she charges like a wounded bull, because she is awesome and it's a way of making sure she can keep up with the demand)

Vets are vets for reasons! They spend 10 years all up in vet school learning and specialising!

You ARE NOT a vet! Nor do you KNOW MORE than vets. All you care about is how much things cost and how you don't want to spend any money blah blah blah.

If you don't want to spend money don't have a horse. It is that simple.

Horses cost money. End of story.
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    12-07-2011, 05:52 AM
  #14
Trained
We have established that you don't like me ;)

I have upped his feed (doubled it in fact) and he has his canvas on when it's cool or wet. It's very late in the year for it, we usually have them totally weaned off the rugs in September at the latest, but he was originally from farther North where it's hot and humid so he REALLY feels the cold.

The vet was out today for the weight issue and she took bloods, I just have to find out how much it will be to have them tested and then decide if it's worth it. He's picking back up though so it probably won't be needed.

All of this is reminding me why I have only ever previously had easy keepers because honestly it's huge amounts of food that I'm pumping into him and it's costing me a fortune!

Edit; also, the pain IS muscular, we established that today, so he will have the chiro out as soon as possible.
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    12-07-2011, 06:13 PM
  #15
Foal
It's not that I don't like you, It's that what I see from your posts that you want an easy cheap way out! There's no point asking for help and throwing it back in people's faces because you don't want to spend any money or put in effort in. If you don't put time, effort and money in you will never be what you aspire to be! If you want to be a top rider, compete next year and eventually become a reputable breeder then there are times when you're going to spend big $$, sleepless nights, hours of riding, husbandry etc.

Good on you for getting the vet out! Hope the bloods come back fine for you! Muscular pain is pretty common in a middle aged horse and can be easily managed through appropriate building up of work load, massage, correct work, feed etc. But that of course will take up a bit more of your time and money.

If you put in enough effort and time with him keeping him sound body and mind and also putting some good work into him you'll have a great year of competing next year! You only get out what you put in!

ETA: Most likely he won't need a huge amount of food for very long. Just to get him back up and then you can reduce the hard feed a bit. You'll find a balance. Oaten hay is great for keeping weight on and if the horse isn't really doing any work you can increase the hay rather than just the hard feed. It may take a couple of months but you will find a happy balance.
     
    12-08-2011, 12:41 AM
  #16
Trained
Cheap? Preferably. I don't have a lot of money and with Christmas coming up I'm struggling a bit. This vet bill is really the last thing I need and they are both due for their teeth to be done Jan/Feb so that'll be another few hundred dollars. Easy? Honestly couldn't care less.

My mother is a trained (human) massage therapist so we save a lot of money doing the maintenance massage ourselves but if there's a need to go deep then we ask the chiro. And in this case there IS, we have found pain deep in the muscles in his hindquarter, and his loin's a bit sore as well but that, at least, we can manage ourselves.

I'm a bit wary of oaten hay simply because it has oats in it and some feeds do heat him up and make him harder to handle. But if I give him plenty of meadow hay he should be right for a while - at least until I can afford to buy some oaten or lucerne hay. We just bought 100 bales so there's not a lot of point in buying MORE and letting what we have go to waste.

I do have his previous owner helping me out with what she has found to work for him but it works out pretty expensive because of the sheer volume of feed he needs. I'm giving him probably 20L of lucerne and 4L of copra meal daily so we're going through it pretty fast. This compared to a handful of each for the yearling (though I am upping that as well because she's gone a bit ribby - she's growing again) and nothing but hay for Mum's QH who is STILL too fat... yeah.
     

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