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post #11 of 55 Old 02-16-2010, 03:54 PM
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I was asking others justsam, what they found acceptable and yes I have been hit with a rasp.

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post #12 of 55 Old 02-16-2010, 04:07 PM
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If she smacked him with the rasp it's TOTALLY unacceptable. My farrier is very patient with both my mares even though my qh is always looking to make a trick with him (like pretending he's not there or laying down, and yes, she gets punished for that every time and usually stand after that). It's really hard to guess how good is a farrier (as well as vet or trainer), because even with the good recommendations he/she may still not be a good fit. Plus what some people find to be a fantastic job other (more educated) people can call very poor job. :)

I'm sorry you had this experience. I'd just keep working on your horse to learn to stay and give hoofs and look for another farrier around.
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post #13 of 55 Old 02-16-2010, 04:09 PM
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I haven't had a horrible experience with a time the farrier came to our house to trim our horses after his wife died and started crying on my mom.
Not too horrible..but now my mom wants to switch farriers because he's always at least an hour late.
He always brags a lot like example: when I was a kid my untrained horse jumped 6 feet lol.
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post #14 of 55 Old 02-16-2010, 04:13 PM
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I'm so glad I have a decent farrier! He's never late (he actually moved up my appointment time by an hour once), he knows my horses feet, he does a good job and he's very well priced (35 dollar trim, 85 for trim & front shoes and I think 100 for all four shoes and a trim). I couldn't ask for more than that!
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post #15 of 55 Old 02-16-2010, 04:15 PM
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My farrier pinched my horse the last time he trimmed her because she decided to lean on him. So she leaned on him, he pinched her, she decided that wasn't very much fun and that was the end of that. She couldn't have been very bothered by it, she happily munched down the handful of grain he offered when she was done, then ran up and down the fence of the back pasture trying to see if he'd give her more (which he did).

I have a very patient and kind farrier, he happened to be out shoeing a different horse the day after mine was delivered. He went over, met her and gave her a handful of grain. After he finished shoeing the other horse, he had me bring her out, he picked up all her feet, stretched out her legs and gave her another handful of grain. He then showed me how to properly clean out her feet, a crack I was to keep washed out and an eye on and some stretching of her legs that he suggested be done daily since she was a little skittish about her feet/legs. We followed his advice and when he came back, she did great.

She's full of energy and feeling really good right now (she's gained 150lbs+ was very underweight when we got her) and is testing her boundaries a bit. So she decided that she'd try leaning this time, he informed her that wasn't acceptable and she stopped. He said he highly doubted she'd try it again next time, she just needed to be told NO.
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post #16 of 55 Old 02-16-2010, 04:16 PM
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Wow, I'm sorry you had that horrible experience with your horse! I've had one too...

The first farrier I ever used was an older 'set in his way' guy... He wouldn't listen to anything and did my mares hooves his way. I had no say in it at the time because my uncle was paying for the shoeing... Literally, whatever K wanted to do, he did. He messed up one of my mares hooves because she needed (and still needs) to be trimmed and/or shod on that hoof a certain way and he wouldn't see reason. He used a twitch on my girl nearly every time he came out because she had a habit of jerking her hoof away (that's now worked through) and he would reprimand her harshly (which wasn't a way to get her to cooperate, as she's had a hard life before I got her and was afraid of men back then). The final straw came when my mare was around ten months pregnant... we had him out to shoe her since her hooves were cracking slightly and she was moody... the farrier wanted to throw her to shoe her, but both my uncle and me said 'no'. Instead, he decided to tie her leg up to shoe her, and when she panicked, he hit her hard in the stomach with his rasp. I went off on him and really went ballistic... in the end, he finished the shoeing job and left without being paid (there was no way I was paying him after that). I had an argument with my uncle and got myself a new farrier.

My experience with my new (and current and actually certified) farrier has been great. When I called him to come out the first time, he asked all the right questions... how many horses did I have, what were their ages and temperaments, what were their previous experiences with other farriers, how were they used to being treated, did I prefer tieing them or holding them for shoeing, was there anything to not do, was there anything specific he should know about my horses, what type of riding did I do and what types of shoes did I prefer, etcetera... (at the time, I had my mare who had been terrified by my previous farrier and my gelding, who, at the time, was just a few months old and had never had his hooves rasped). When Wiley came out, he talked to me for a while with my horses standing around, letting them get used to him, and he told me where he'd gone to school to learn to shoe and trim and he told me about his own horses and what he did with them (roping). When it was time to start working on their hooves, he took the time to pet, brush, and scratch my horses and really let them both get to know him and he was really slow with them and when he could tell that my mare was going to pull away or my gelding was getting agitated or anything, he stopped, set the leg down, backed up and waited for a few minutes. By the time he was done, we’d gotten through the whole ordeal without any problems at all, even though he’d spent over two hours at the house.

Now, my horses both love Wiley and neither are a problem with him. They trust him... even when he had to shoe my gelding for the first time ever in the rain, everything went fine. I love having a farrier who my horses trust and who teaches me a little bit each time he comes down and who is willing to put time into getting to know me and my horses. Wiley is like an uncle to me, a person who is always happy to talk to me and help me understand things and doesn’t get angry or upset when I ask the same question more than once.

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post #17 of 55 Old 02-16-2010, 04:19 PM
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To me, acceptable form of punishment would be sternly saying/yelling their name, a sharp 'no!' or 'huh-uh!', or a small slap on the side of the neck/leg (from me).

The only thing my farrier ever says when my horses act up (if they do, lol) is a 'quit it, boy/girl' or 'huh-uh'... lol.

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I am all for verbal discipline with a STAND, QUIT IT, or the horses name. But the hit my horse was given was a baseball swing with a rasp on the POINT of the horses hip. As sorry as I was for my horse getting hit, I was hoping for a mark to show up so that I had something to show for her hitting my horse.

Believe me, I have a LOT of concern for farriers! it is a very risky and dangerous job. But I also believe that if you are going to be a farrier, you need to be COMPASSIONATE for your job and understand that there is no one type of horse...and deinfitely to NEVER take anything out on the horse (as this hit on the horse was not so much what he did as it was her getting pissed off and angry). If this particular farrier told me in the middle of finishing the job on my horse that she was not comfortable on him for any reason, I would have paid her for the work she did do and found someone who felt comfortable. This person never even contacted me til 6 weeks after the initial trim, and contacted me with hostility. That is a person who has no regard for the work that she has with the horses as well as no disregard with the people she works with.

**on another note, the person who DID do his feet yesterday was calm and gentle, but did not baby my horse. No pets, no treats, just did his job. But he handled my horse just fine. He has also only been in the business for a couple o fyears and did wonderfully. I liked that because I do not want my horse to EXPECT that he is going to get pets and treats by every farrier that comes by, because most farriers are not like that. But He spoke to my horse very calmy, saying 'easy big guy' and 'you're ok' in very quiet tones, and that was all my horse needed to practically fall asleep. Could also be that my horse just prefers men, I dunno! But I at least found a good farrier that understood what my horse needed.

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post #19 of 55 Old 02-16-2010, 04:41 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses View Post
Did you call any of her references? How long had she been "trimming"? You have to spend as much time picking a farrier as you would a used car. Also is she a liscenced farrier and with whom is she liscensed? Too many people buy some tools and print business cards and call themselves farriers and the worst of them call themselves barefoot trimmers because they have less tools to buy that way.

The Op has learned her lesson but to all the people that read this :All trainers and farriers and vets are NOT created equal so do your homework and be a responsible consumer.
I had checked with several others on the ranch about her, and they all ranted and raved about her. But she just didnt treat me or my horse with any edicate. Dunno if she was having a bad day or if she is just an attitud-ey person, but she was very unproffessional about the matter. ...and I definitely learned my lesson regarding proper researching, as ranch-hearsay is no longer good enough in my book.
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post #20 of 55 Old 02-16-2010, 04:42 PM
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Do you think she would agree if she saw this online? Since you named her and her business in the tags?

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