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post #21 of 30 Old 05-26-2007, 12:44 PM
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Wow, touchy subject huh? I'm steering clear of this one - some people seem to be less open minded than others.
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post #22 of 30 Old 05-26-2007, 03:58 PM
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post #23 of 30 Old 05-26-2007, 04:13 PM
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so should i start shoeing my 3 year old. i've been reading most of the posts and i'm still undecided. you both make a good point on your case *by you i mean the shoers and the nonshoers) how do i know i can trust my ferrier? and how do i know that my horse wont go lame without shoes? what if the shoe's nail rip the hoof wall when it falls *i've seen pics*? and what if my babies footsies get some sort of sever bruise on his foot just because i didnt get him shod? UH SO MANY QUESTIONS AND "WHAT IF"'s!!!! please someone help me out here i Do want the best for my horse, not the cheapest *cause cheap stuff can be CHEAP Quality* i'm only 15 people so i dont got all the money in the world right now. *parents: one's in army, other's a school bus driver and there's not a lot of cash in thoes jobs* please help.
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post #24 of 30 Old 05-26-2007, 07:34 PM Thread Starter
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I really don't understand why you are attacking any and everyone who differs in opinion from your own. EVERY horse in my boarding barn is barefoot, and they have NEVER had an abcess, or anything else since they've opened. (Which was only 3 or so years ago but still...with more than 25 horses, I believe that's pretty amazing.) I understand that you make your living by shoeing horses. I don't have anything against shoeing horses (explains why I was contemplating on the issue) I just think it's rude of you to attack my decision.I understand that you feel strongly about this but you shouldn't have to attack all the "barefoot people" to get your point across!

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It is a very sensitive subject for some (obviously) and I think it should depend on your own horse's feet, your riding discipline, AND your personal preference. I would learn as much as you can (look on the internet at articles, read books, anything you can) Then, have a farrier look at your horse and discuss with him/her and your vet about what would be best for YOUR horse.[/quote]
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I don't know, I am beginning to think JR is quite comical. All I have to say is that I am beginning to see a lot of where s/he is coming from.

It does seem as if several more horsemen and women are clinging to the idea of being 'all natural.' Don't get me wrong, I do believe in some natural horsemanship. However, I do know when to draw the line (for myself) for the understanding that me on a horse's back is not natural.

Some horses are fine without shoes. Some aren't. It's quite simple. And I believe that each horse's needs and uses should be accounted for. Saying every horse can be worked without shoes and have no problem is a complete blanket statement, vise versa. Both of my horse's get completely different shoeing, and there are several reasons for the way they are trimmed or shod. My standardbred has wonderful feet and doesn't require shoes. My appendix on the other hand leans more toward the TB side and must have shoes. He becomes lame without them. I believe it is cruel for an owner to withhold shoes from a horse who obviously needs them. If you can see lameness due to having improper shoeing or no shoeing, get it fixed. Riding a horse alters it's natural state. You are going to have to make adjustments to compensate for this alteration. For example, my appendix has a large quarter horse front end. He tends to be a bit heavier on the forehand and can have an unevenly distributed weight. Therefore, his front feet are the first to become sore. His front feet are shod. His back feet hold up fine without shoeing.

I just don't think there is a one way answer to this. To the OP, in my opinion, if your horse is lame without shoes, for gods sake, shoe him!

Edited to add: Why do you want to keep him shoeless so badly?
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I don't know, I am beginning to think JR is quite comical. All I have to say is that I am beginning to see a lot of where s/he is coming from.

It does seem as if several more horsemen and women are clinging to the idea of being 'all natural.' Don't get me wrong, I do believe in some natural horsemanship. However, I do know when to draw the line (for myself) for the understanding that me on a horse's back is not natural.

Some horses are fine without shoes. Some aren't. It's quite simple. And I believe that each horse's needs and uses should be accounted for. Saying every horse can be worked without shoes and have no problem is a complete blanket statement, vise versa. Both of my horse's get completely different shoeing, and there are several reasons for the way they are trimmed or shod. My standardbred has wonderful feet and doesn't require shoes. My appendix on the other hand leans more toward the tb side and must have shoes. He becomes lame without them. I believe it is cruel for an owner to withhold shoes from a horse who obviously needs them. If you can see lameness due to having improper shoeing or no shoeing, get it fixed. Riding a horse alters it's natural state. You are going to have to make adjustments to compensate for this alteration. For example, my appendix has a large quarter horse front end. He tends to be a bit heavier on the forehand and can have an unevenly distributed weight. Therefore, his front feet are the first to become sore. His front feet are shod. His back feet hold up fine without shoeing.

I just don't think there is a one way answer to this. To the OP, in my opinion, if your horse is lame without shoes, for gods sake, shoe him!

Edited to add: Why do you want to keep him shoeless so badly?
yeah i agree with what you're saying here. it's not that i want Rain to be shoeless it's just that i would like him to be happy and healthy without me wasting my parents money on something he doesnt need. I'm the type of person that hates to spend other peoples money. i cant stand people buying me things, giving me money, paying for my food, ect. it's just who i am for some reason.
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post #27 of 30 Old 05-27-2007, 09:33 AM
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I'm not advocating every horse should be shod, what i am advocating is knowing what types of hoof structures can an can't ,which is not some thing you learn off the back of a cornflake packet or some two bit seminar course & defiantly not with wishful thinking, because if that method really worked i would of already seen results with my wishing for every horse whimpering bare foot trimming guru on the planet to take a dunk every second day, so the world wouldn't have to be laden with so much of there crap.
So trend setters its pretty dam simple ask for professional advice from persons with years of experience they have all ready seen most of the trials an error & the tears that go with it
Finally:) An inbetween statement...that's all I was saying...to quote you directly..."I'm not advocating every horse should be shod, what I am advocating is knowing what types of hoof structures can and can't..."

That is a statement that I agree with. And Jr is right. It depends on the horse...in my case...he is 'better' barefoot...I had more problems with shoes...you also have to realize, he came from Montana where most of his life...he was barefoot...

In regards to painting anything on my horses hooves...hardener, etc...I don't...
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post #28 of 30 Old 05-27-2007, 11:19 AM
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In regards to painting anything on my horses hooves...hardener, etc...I don't...
It would be interesting to find out the science behind hoof hardeners... I personally think that it is the feeding regime that helps to keep the horn in good condition and that should be achieved whether or not your horse is shod.
The riding centre I work at has no horses shod and for some horses it does work very well as they are simply never lame. However, some of the horses I feel should be shod as while they are never regularly lame they do seem to have a slight tendency although admittedly considering the frequency in which they are ridden it is actually very uncommon. I personally would have had them shod then but unfortunately the owner is 76, a tad grumpy and most certainly does not appreciate being told how to care for his horses!! He is however good with farrier visits for trimming etc. and so while the farrier agrees that some could do better with, he also realises that he isn't going to win that fight without losing the owner's business. We are just more careful when riding.
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post #29 of 30 Old 05-28-2007, 12:24 AM Thread Starter
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Kristy,
Hey I am the original poster....I didn't really WANT him to be barefoot badly...I started this thread because I wanted opinions about whether to make the transition or to keep him shod. His feet were in such bad shape from being shod when I bought him that he was lame. Since I have removed them and had him properly trimmed (by a barefoot farrier) he has had no problems. He still is a little tender when walking across gravel but I can already tell he is getting much better. The easyboots I bought are very helpful and he does GREAT in them. Jr went on a rampage about the boots but I have witnessed nothing but good things from them so far. That's not saying that I am 100% sure they are "good" for him in the long run. I really don't know...and how can you really tell how his feet and legs will be affected from boots 10 yrs down the road? All I know is he is doing great right now and the transition has been very smooth.

And Jr...I don't really know where you got hoof hardener from but I have never mentioned it...I have NEVER even used it. Actually, just found out that they actually make such a thing now a days...so, I really don't know why you are making such a big deal about that. I am glad you finally did agree (somewhat) that it depends on the individual horse....you almost seem to entirely miss what people are actually saying in their posts and you go off on an entirely separate rampage. I hope you will learn to respect other opinions on here instead of just getting hot about it. But I do respect your opinion about it and I'm glad you gave it because that was my original intent with starting this thread...to get opinions from both sides.
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post #30 of 30 Old 05-28-2007, 10:28 PM
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So I found a pretty decent article talking about Barefoot vs. Shoes and I thought I would post it not to be criticized, but as an informative piece...for it discusses pros and cons of both, not really leaning towards either side...but actually discussing how one would go about conditioning your horse after you pull his/her shoes and it also suggests the main reasons to shod your horse...hope this helps:)
k~

http://www.equipodiatry.com/article_barefoot_v_shod.htm
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