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    08-25-2009, 12:18 AM
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Barefoot trimming, which method is best?

So I finally talked to my trainer about my issues with just outright owning Lacey and she agreed with me that a good first step for me to take would be to start taking care of Lacey's farrier needs.

I'd like to try barefoot trimming and all that because it seems to me at least like it's healthier for the horse.

But so my dilemma is that I found a website that lists barefoot trimmers in my area but in their qualifications the 2 that are the closest to my area differ a lot.

One says that he is a certified Natural Balance trimmer and farrier, two talk about the Strasser method (I've heard that one is more invasive?), one follows the wild horse model, and one is 8/9 in the certification program of the AANHCP (Association for the Advancement of Natural Horse Care Practices) and has attended clinics by Peter Ramey and Dr. Robert Bowker.

Which one is the best? I plan to probably email them all but I'd like to be educated before I talk to them, yknow? What do all those people stand for? Are AANHCP people a bunch of crazies or is it only their name that makes them sound crazy? (no offense intended, I'm leary of large acronyms) The AANHCP guy is also the one that is the closest to me...

Does anybody have any information?

Thanks! Spice cake with vanilla frosting for those who read it all!
     
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    08-25-2009, 12:37 AM
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Green Broke
I pm'ed you about it. I don't know enough about the styles or what those mean, but would love to find out myself :)
     
    08-25-2009, 12:44 AM
  #3
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"2 that are the closest to my area differ a lot"- I forgot to edit this to say the 5, I only found 2 at first. Hopefully no one will get too confused.

Thanks free_sprtd! =)
     
    08-25-2009, 01:13 AM
  #4
Yearling
I trim my own - I was taught by a natural barefoot trimmer so I would go with someone who follows that area of thinking.

I have also heard a lot of things about the Strasser method - and I'm sorry to say that all of it was bad - if a Strasser trained person arrived at my yard they would be shown the door.

My farrier teaches the natural way - follows the wild horse teachings and keeps up to date with current methods - he cannot see any reason for the strasser method as he thinks that for barefoot you can't beat the study of horses in the wild.

I'm not saying that strasser people are bad people - just that I personally don't agree with their thinking.
     
    08-25-2009, 06:42 AM
  #5
Foal
Like anything else, you have to read up on all the methods and think for yourself. I trim my own and have for almost 8 years now. I don't follow any one method but look at each hoof and basically use the sole as a guide and balance it out as much as possible.

I would never do anything that invades the live sole, and I don't rasp the outside hoof wall (well only on the edges to smooth it out). Some trimmers trim from the outside, or the "top" which I don't agree with, but if it works for them and their horses that's great. I prefer to trim from the bottom so I can see exactly what I'm trimming.

Beware of some trimmers/farriers that want to alter the natural hoof to "fix" the horses body. Seen it, and after awhile it will cripple your horse!
     
    08-25-2009, 11:00 AM
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I have been reading up on this stuff but at the same time, books and articles generally expect that the reader has a certain level of knowledge on the subject all ready and I don't. So while I am reading stuff about the different methods, it all just kinda makes me think "say what?"

I found a site that seems to give a brief overview of the methods but again, since I have no knowledge about the methods, I'm not sure how correct this information is...

The Horse's Hoof: Trimming Method


Needless to say, I don't think I'm going to be going with the strasser people, that sounds too scary for my baby's hooves. Haha

Now I'm just wondering about Natural balance, wild horse model and the AANHCP (it looks like they do some version of the wild horse model?) Any amazing insightful knowledge out there?

Thanks!
     
    08-25-2009, 11:50 AM
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Foal
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Originally Posted by Wallaby    
I have been reading up on this stuff but at the same time, books and articles generally expect that the reader has a certain level of knowledge on the subject all ready and I don't. So while I am reading stuff about the different methods, it all just kinda makes me think "say what?"

I found a site that seems to give a brief overview of the methods but again, since I have no knowledge about the methods, I'm not sure how correct this information is...

The Horse's Hoof: Trimming Method


Needless to say, I don't think I'm going to be going with the strasser people, that sounds too scary for my baby's hooves. Haha

Now I'm just wondering about Natural balance, wild horse model and the AANHCP (it looks like they do some version of the wild horse model?) Any amazing insightful knowledge out there?

Thanks!
I haven't read much of the Strasser method, but what I have heard was too invasive.

From what I've read, a Natural Balance Farrier *should* be able to trim a horse to go barefoot and keep the horse sound barefoot. Here's a paragraph from the website....SHORT Definition (Description) of the Natural Balance Trim
To start, we should define what good hoof balance consists of. In my opinion, the hoof is balance when the bottom of the distal phalanx (P-3 or cofin bone) is parallel to the ground on a medial/lateral (inside to outside) plane. From an anterior/posterior (front to back) plane, the distal phalanx should be elevated between 3 to 5 degrees, proximal caudally (up in the back). (Figure 2) This can be achieved by using the live, functional sole structures (frog, bars, sole callus, live sole) to balance the foot. A slight rocker should be produced from the inner edge of the sole callus, foward. The remaining hoof wall should be trimmed relative to the live sole and the heels should end near the back of the frog. The only frog and bars that should be removed is that which is already exfoliating. Results should be consistent with how horses wear their feet in a self-maintaining environment (domestic or feral).

That is basically the way I trim my horses who have been sound since I've been trimming them..

AANHCP's should also be able to do the same as far as I know. But no matter what certification a farrier or trimmer has, does not mean he/she will do a good job. So, horse owners need to educate themselves so they will know what a good trim is.
     
    08-25-2009, 12:06 PM
  #8
Showing
I used to trim while my horses were too unhandled for the farriers (vets, trainers, etc.). So I found Jamie Jackson to be the easiest one to understand (he has really nice books and video). Frankly I wasn't impressed with Petey Ramsey book - way too complicated to read, but the idea is nice.

Jaime Jackson Official Website

You can also look here:

Welcome to Ironfree Hoof
Barefoot for Soundness

What I really like about the 1st one is the fact they say there is no "one way" approach to every horse. The technique is the same, but say some horses need more heels, or have some angle, etc. Just conformationally.

Also I want to point out that different farriers have different views on how to trim. My farrier doesn't do the "mustang roll" (which actually drives me nuts a little lol!), so sometime I just do it myself after he's done. But he takes off the right amount of toe and good at balancing (they move much better then they did when I used other farriers).
     
    08-26-2009, 08:19 AM
  #9
Green Broke
The best method is what works for your horse and your situation. I use the "Ramey" method, with some slight variation on my horses. It works well for me. Jamie Jackson's method is similar, but different. I have friends that have good luck with that. I don't know anyone personally who uses the Strasser method, but plenty of online folks I know use her's, or a variation of her's, with good results.

Each farrier/trimmer is going to put their own "spin" on whatever method(s) they ascribe to, and hopefully they'll tailor it to your horse.
     
    08-26-2009, 08:31 AM
  #10
Green Broke
Ramey says in his book that you should read Jamie Jackson's book first, then his. You should already have an understanding of barefoot trimming before you pick up his book. His web site has "updates" with new research and better explinations, Pete Ramey hoof care heals founder in horse’s navicular disease farrier I'm thinking about buying his DVD set next.

I will admit, I don't use a rasp much. I stumbled on abrasive hoof trimming and LOVE it! I can get all 4 feet done on my horse in about 15-20 minutes, and they look even better than they do when I use a rasp. I still use a knife and may pick up a rasp for a tricky spot, but 90% of the hoof work is done using an angle grinder (light weight one sold on the web site) and flapper sanding disks. The horses seem to take to it really well, which suprised me. Even my flighty half-Arabian gelding settled right in after just a few minutes. After 3 or 4 trims, I could trim their feet with the grinder with no problems, horses just ground tied (no helper).

I WAS pretty comfortable using power tools before I tried this though. I have friends that tried it that were not power tool users, and they had trouble (mostly because they were scared of the thing themselves, lol). I have never had a horse or human injury, no cords stepped on, no blow-ups either.

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Abrasive Hoof Trimming DVD's and Cummins Grinder Switch converter

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