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        10-14-2009, 06:58 PM
      #11
    Trained
    *Forgot to add - Barefoot means injuries from fighting between horses are MUCH less.
         
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        10-14-2009, 08:24 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wild_spot    

    I find that traction is BETTER on grass barefoot, shoes make it worse, especially if it's wet.
    the bare hoof and the shod hoof slip in wet weather differently. Eg, a shod hoof will not generally slide sideways but a bare will and vise versa.

    And also, with the traction, you can't screw a stud on a bare hoof.
         
        10-14-2009, 09:16 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Do you wear shoes? Yes you probably do. Why? Are they just a fashion statement? Or are they basic protection from injury? My son is very young and hates shoes. Comes home from school and promptly takes his shoes off and runs around in all sorts of terrain barefoot. He also gets cut frequently, chips off toenails, sticks brairs in his feet, etc. Then for the next couple days, he is limping and all sorefooted. Works the same way don't it? Do you honestly thinks shoes were invented as a fashion statement for the wealthy - No, they are basic protection that keeps a human or horse sound more days in a year.
    We run a mob of mares - do they get shod - absolutly not - don't even get trimmed unless they have an issue that must be dealt with; but, we don't expect them to work every day either. For us it is an economic choice as well as a saftey issue with a mob of mares. They run out on big fields.
         
        10-14-2009, 09:36 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Production Acres    
    Do you wear shoes? Yes you probably do. Why? Are they just a fashion statement? Or are they basic protection from injury? My son is very young and hates shoes. Comes home from school and promptly takes his shoes off and runs around in all sorts of terrain barefoot. He also gets cut frequently, chips off toenails, sticks brairs in his feet, etc. Then for the next couple days, he is limping and all sorefooted. Works the same way don't it? Do you honestly thinks shoes were invented as a fashion statement for the wealthy - No, they are basic protection that keeps a human or horse sound more days in a year.
    We run a mob of mares - do they get shod - absolutly not - don't even get trimmed unless they have an issue that must be dealt with; but, we don't expect them to work every day either. For us it is an economic choice as well as a saftey issue with a mob of mares. They run out on big fields.
    It is inaccurate to compare a human running around barefoot to a horse that is barefoot. First of all, a horse hoof is more similar to a human toe nail rather than a foot. A human foot and a horse hoof are completely different. The surface area of human feet are skin, for horses it is horny laminae. The horse is not walking around on a layer of skin. You can trim the hoof of a horse without any pain because they can't feel it and the hoof grows back, a human foot cannot be trimmed without pain (and bleeding) and will not grow back (a layer of scarred skin will but nothing else can be regrown). Before we had shoes, people did run around barefoot, but they had spent their entire lives barefoot and had thick calluses. I'm not trying to be obsessive about this but comparing a human situation to a horse one is almost always inaccurate.
         
        10-14-2009, 09:50 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    I've always had my horses barefoot. If I can avoid shoeing I will, but I'm not anti-shoe either. I just don't do enough high power activities to warrant shoes at this point. My Arab mare wore shoes briefly when she was in intensive training with a lot of distance miles, but it was a disaster - she threw one within two weeks and the farrier was a waste of space so I ended up having to pry the other one off myself So ended my brief affair with shoeing.

    It's so hard just getting a decent farrier to even TRIM around here, it makes me grimace to think what it would be like having shod horses. At least if they go over on a trim, we can take the rasp to them ourselves. Shoes are a whole different ballpark.

    I can see the merits of both though, and I think it's silly to be pro one and anti the other. It all depends on the horse and his feet and what suits him best in my opinion.
         
        10-14-2009, 10:00 PM
      #16
    Trained
    Why don't you just try taking them off & see how it goes. If it works then fine, if it doesnt put the front shoes back on
         
        10-14-2009, 10:30 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    I'm sure he'll be just fine.. as has been said, just don't trim short or pare out the sole
         
        10-14-2009, 11:57 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Quote:
    the bare hoof and the shod hoof slip in wet weather differently. Eg, a shod hoof will not generally slide sideways but a bare will and vise versa.

    And also, with the traction, you can't screw a stud on a bare hoof.
    I have never been in a situation where I would consider studs needed. If you ride to the conditions then they aren't needed.

    *Shrugs* I have never had a horse fall over on me due to lack of traction. In fact i've never had a horse fall over on me... lol.

    Quote:
    Do you wear shoes? Yes you probably do. Why? Are they just a fashion statement? Or are they basic protection from injury? My son is very young and hates shoes. Comes home from school and promptly takes his shoes off and runs around in all sorts of terrain barefoot. He also gets cut frequently, chips off toenails, sticks brairs in his feet, etc. Then for the next couple days, he is limping and all sorefooted. Works the same way don't it? Do you honestly thinks shoes were invented as a fashion statement for the wealthy - No, they are basic protection that keeps a human or horse sound more days in a year.
    We run a mob of mares - do they get shod - absolutly not - don't even get trimmed unless they have an issue that must be dealt with; but, we don't expect them to work every day either. For us it is an economic choice as well as a saftey issue with a mob of mares. They run out on big fields.
    Horses hooves are made to be without shoes. I'm not 'anti' shoeing, persay, but I hate seeing horses shod when it isn't absolutely needed. I had a horse who neede shoes on the fronts, otherwise his feet just chipped apart. My current horses don't need them, so they don't have them. My competition horse works pretty hard - He has had 4 full two or three day weekend of competition in the last month. He has done it all barefoot, including high-impact sports such as polocrosse and campdrafting. He doesn't get footsore.

    Shoes inhibit the natural expansion and contraction of the hooves... I just don't see why you would use them when you don't need to.
         
        10-15-2009, 12:24 AM
      #19
    Weanling
    I have no idea when they are being ridden often, as only a few of ours are broke to ride and ridden rarely, so they are all barefoot.
         
        10-15-2009, 12:53 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Production Acres    
    Do you honestly thinks shoes were invented as a fashion statement for the wealthy - No, they are basic protection that keeps a human or horse sound more days in a year.
    .

    Actually, I was recently taking a class about hooves, and in doing research for a project, I discovered that shoes for horses only came in to use during the mid-evil time period, when the Kings started living in Castles and bringing in the horses with them. The standing around in stalls, on their own filth softened the hooves so much the horses would be sore when they finally did get them out of the stall, and the hooves would chip badly. The shoe was then invented,but not used by common folk for a long time, then it WAS just a sign of wealth to keep your horse up that way, and it became more common. Also intresting to note, the first literature found on curing things like laminitis/founder or hoof cracks came about DURING this time period, where before it wasn't mentioned. The only mention was from Xenophon (forget the spelling at the moment, as this is just what I remember) only mentioned actually putting stones in an area to make the horse walk on them, in order to toughen the feet.

    Before that, all horses were barefoot, and that includes war horses that defeated entire nations, but they were not stalled or sedentary and the did work on a regular basis.


    And that's my nerd post of the month. =)
         

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