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post #41 of 44 Old 12-14-2009, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RiosDad View Post
Just from reading your posts shows that you are close minded when it comes to shoes.
This is a very real possibility. From all the research I've learned about shoeing I still can't convince myself to do it. From the pictures I've seen it appears that the horse has thin soles and by the time the next shoeing comes around it appears that the soles have flattened and thinned even more. But I haven't seen tons of pictures. Lots of youtube. Still though that doesn't mean that they all end up that way. Only the ones that I could find at the time showed this. But still I have spent more time learning about barefoot.

I suppose I followed people to barefoot because they too were at a time believing in nothing but shoes. ("And I beleive in Pete Ramey because, like I've said before, I can FEEL energy, I can see it. There's no limit to distance, and the children of today and tomorrow are a new breed, it will come to the point where one will be unable to lie to any child cus the child will know. Many already exist.") But I haven't found any shoers that went to shoes from barefoot because it was better. But remember, what I had found on shoeing was limited and quite sparse with any examples. Yet from the barefoot side I've seen examples of endurance horses, horses on pavement that wore their shoes thin, read stories of all the same and so many other stories the list just goes on and on. Typically the story starts the same way, "this horse has hooves that will always need shoes, it's genetic, it's a "type of horse" so it'll always need shoes, the hoof is white, and on and on. Lots of evidence and case studies I could find on it.

Perhaps I need to go back and see if there is more knowledge I can find on the internet about shoes. Yet when I was researching it I could find hardly no examples of case studies of cured horses. Matter of fact I think I only found one example, but it didn't show the hooves it only showed the picture of the pony and how it was now happy in shoes. At least that's how I recall it. Mostly I could find shoeing schools and some forums. The forums were good cus I could find some pictures. But I found quite a bit of stuff on youtube too though.

Don't take all I'm saying the wrong way. I'm willing to learn. Yet what I've learned so far has lead me to beleive in barefoot. And I can't seem to bite my tongue because of all the knowledge I've been able to turn over. It's like asking me not to comment when I hear about the commercials saying, "we need money to research for a cure to cancer", bah. Forest for the trees. $$$ Them human sized microwaves aint cheap to build. Curing disease is easy and it will put an entier industry to its knees when enough people become educated. "Yeah yeah I know a little off track, but I'm just trying to convey how it's hard for me to bite my tongue."

Also I have had shod horses in my life. They weren't my horses, but my grandpas. I remember little about it though. I mostly remember the farrier coming out and being fascinated at watching him work on the horses. At the time I never thought a thing of it, I was too young to question anything, and I thought everything taught to me was correct. "Like being told since I was born that I had allergies and I NEEDED to take medicine. But once I questioned it and threw away all my medicine I have become nearly cured of my allergies. It used to be BAD, I couldn't stand being outside in the summer because of it, bad, so so bad." Again a little off topic but a smidgen of a hint as to why I question nearly everything and how I've been able to develop an ability to sense energy.

Geeze I just go on and on. And I never knew it would quite a controversial subject. I am merely wanting people learn that there is another way. I should of realized it would be though, just like telling people that they don't need to be infected by this or that disease. Most all of the time all I hear back is, the doc says this or that, blah blah blah, etc etc. And all they are really telling me is, "I wanna die, I don't enjoy this world." On and on I go, I just don't have the ability to let people suffer. Sometimes I think that most would look at me and say to themselves that I'm way too young to know all I that I do. But one must be humble like a child to inherent the keys to the kingdom. "a statement not very well understood by most"

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At the barn where I boarded my horse was an older horse, barefoot for the 10 years I knew him and to watch him come and go from the barn hurt. He was so tender that crossing the least bit of gravel caused him to flinch terribley.
I asked the lady if I could put a pair of shoes on his front feet, no charge, free shoes and after 8 weeks if she didn't see a difference we would go back to barefoot but if she liked what she had I would continue to shoe him??
He wore shoes until his untimely death.
He was sound instantly and I would have continued to shoe in for free just so I didn't have to watch him struggle.

In the position I am in I can wear shoes one day, pull them the next and then back to shoes the next. I do what works at the time, no rules except to try.. There are times to go bare and times to shoe.
Running pavement barefoot is fine EXCEPT when you come to pavement covered with 3/4 inch size rough stone and then you watch the poor guy limp?? Most intersections get gravel thrown onto the pavement and your horse has to cross this.. That is if you run roads?? Barepavement fine but really we ride very little on bare pavement.
I run the shoulder of major highways, in the spring it melts first before the normal melt so the footing is great. After a rain shoulders are great but come summer, the hot dry summer they are like rock , no give and wear the heck out of steel shoes. Aluminum lasts a week if you are luck and bare? I don't even try anymore.

Just keep an open mind and all shoing is not bad and many a horse shod all his life runs sound into his mid 30's when he dies.
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It all depends on what your horse is comfortable with. go with your gut, not people bickering online. My previous farrier has seen more problems with shod horses durring fly season. Shes seen horses stamp their shoes too much and cause some soreness. It goes away when she resets and trims the hoof.
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Originally Posted by RiosDad View Post
At the barn where I boarded my horse was an older horse, barefoot for the 10 years I knew him and to watch him come and go from the barn hurt. He was so tender that crossing the least bit of gravel caused him to flinch terribley.
These are the types of stories I had been trying to find. I've learned mostly about shoeing from forums though. 10 years is an awfully long time to allow ones horse to suffer. That's just indescribable.

I mostly wanted to mention to people considering barefoot. Learn all you can. It's still something that isn't wide known and you can mess it up and have a sore horse for a long time if you and/or your trimmer don't have the proper knowledge. It's relatively simple though, it just takes time to learn. The number one thing that will allow a horse to grow rock crunchers is a heel first impact, followed right alongside with a diet that is healthy and won't destroy hooves. Trimming to what the hoof should look like too soon will cause toe first landings and will only exacerbate any problems. And the quickest way to develop the hoof after diet and proper trim, is movement. The horse needs to move very often, the more heel first landings the horse has the quicker the rock crunchers will grow. My horse when I first brought him home, toe walked across gravel. Not any more.

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