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        08-20-2008, 04:40 AM

    All horses can go barefoot, if the right holistic management is attended to. No horse NEEDS shoes.

    HOWEVER, I don't disagree with much of what has been written above. It depends on a lot of factors - quality & frequency of trim, diet, environment, conditioning, to name a few - as to whether a horse can develop tough go anywhere, do anything feet. Most horses are managed in a less than ideal manner in this regard and so they generally need some protection on some surfaces.

    Hoof boots are fantastic for this purpose, providing true protection that a rim of steel can't. Some horses & work requirements are inappropriate for hoof boots tho, and in that case, metal shoes may be the best option.
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        08-20-2008, 06:37 PM
    I agree with loosie!!

    Also I'm not very good at explaining things so this is from a post from a different forum. Many people don't realize that there is a difference between a Barefoot trim and a horse that is barefoot.;)


    So...this is not a criticism...merely trying to take an opportunity to point out that simply pulling shoes off of a horse is NOT a "Barefoot" (with a capital B) trim.

    If I had to summarize the Barefoot trim in a few very brief statements to convey the differences between Barefoot and barefoot I would say:

    1) A "B" trim focuses on correct functionality of the hoof for that horse. It is NOT a textbook thing. It's all based on proportions to the existing anatomy to improve functionality. While it's true that you're aiming for balance and bilateral symmetry, each horse is going to be a little different. You don't just pick an angle or length based on some's about ratios.

    2) A "B" trim has a bevel. It is not flat. At minimum from 10-2 on the hoof you're going to see moderate to major bevel to effectively remove torque on the hoof wall at the toe and bring the breakover back. There may be beveling around more of the hoof on an as needed basis.

    While I certainly applaud folks for starting on the journey towards educating themselves so that they can do right by their horse, I am still a bit surprised by some of the photographs cited as "B" trims because they're not. They're simply the absence of shoes. Functionality is still not improved, physiology still does not appear to be getting taken into account, etc.

    I would encourage anyone who is really serious about "going Barefoot" with a capital "B" to do the research. The folks here who have a lot of knowledge didn't get it overnight. Don't be fooled. They've spent countless hours reading, looking at pics, doing research, etc. It's a process to be sure.

    So you really have to commit to trying to get the big picture....AND the details...because if you only do it half way, you're NOT really getting the full benefit of a the capital B trim. You're just doing the same thing that you've always done trim wise minus the shoe. You will not realize the benefits this way and neither will your horse. Just when you think you're starting to understand it all...go back and read some more. The more comfortable you get with the terminology, the concepts, etc, the more you'll pick up as you re-read or observe.
        08-20-2008, 07:07 PM
    Thanks so much for posting that ArcticMyst. Took the words right out of my mouth There is a big difference between a "B"arefoot trim and a basic what I call, pasture trim. Most farriers will trim a hoof as if they are going to put a shoe on it, then just leave the shoe off and call it a barefoot trim. If you want to go barefoot either hunt for a good farrier who either knows how to do it or is willing to learn. I've got the Pete Ramey and Jaime Jackson books that I tried to give to several past farriers to even look at the photos and trim my horses this way....None were interested. Thanks goodness we finally found a great barefoot trimmer.

    Doczahi if you can get the books and find a farrier who is willing to take a look at them and do a true barefoot trim I say you should give it a try. If all you can get is a pasture trim, you might as well keep shoes on them in my opinion.
    Here is the ramey site
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        08-20-2008, 09:14 PM
    Originally Posted by doczahi
    When asking my farrier he recommended to have her with shoes, but I didn't expect him to say something else (he is a farrier after all...).
    There are many farriers who haven't learned or don't care about the benefits of bare(or ways to make it a realistic proposition) or the harmful effects of shoes.... but there are also many who DO bother to keep up to date with available knowledge and are in the game for the good of the horse, so yes, there are definitely many good farriers out there who recommend barefoot. Just as not all 'barefoot' trimmers are good, not all farriers are bad, by a long shot
        08-20-2008, 09:42 PM
    Thank you all for your posts.
    I will sure try to have those books.
    And of course there was no intention to offence any farrier...
    Thanks again,
        08-21-2008, 12:26 PM
    If you can't find the books locally you might try I'm not sure how far they ship though. You could do some internet looking and maybe do some print outs.
        08-21-2008, 10:20 PM
    Yes thank you to everyone who has posted about their opinions. I have done the "barefoot" thing ever since owning my own horses. I have had nothing but good to say about going barefoot. Yes I have had some minor downfalls with droughts & nutrition but with research I have learned to over come some of the cracking & chipping. Thank you I have learned things & heard some ideas that I didn't know about.
        08-22-2008, 09:17 AM
    Thank you all for replying.
    I'll do my study and decide what to do base on your expirience.
        08-22-2008, 02:48 PM
    There are some very good points made in this thread.
    I've never put shoes on any of my horses, and the only ones I would consider putting shoes on would be my reiners when I get them into compeition to put sliders on them.

    I much perfer no shoes. :)
        08-23-2008, 03:02 AM
    I guess it is less problematic never to shoe a horse that to take it off..
    Besides, as I understand taking of the shoe is only one part of a process of bringing the horse back to natural living (as well as long daily walks,ect).
    Right now we are in the middle of the dry season here (Israel). The groubd is very dry and hard. I guess I'll wait to November-December before taking the shoes off...

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