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        03-26-2013, 03:09 AM
      #11
    Yearling
    Thanks Greentree- Yes she is so much fun to ride. She will do absolutely anything you ask of her. I did all her training myself. She is such a sweetie! No attitude issues either, except when it is something she physically cannot do. One of the reasons I'm so determined to get to the bottom of this.

    Oldhorselady- Your Pinto mare's canter does resemble my girls when she is running free. Have you checked into SI issues for your mare as well? My vet always says they can have 2 completely unrelated issues that are causing the same symptoms. Have you tried taking her to a university vet school?

    I think I will try the University next. Hopefully they can figure it out! I'll post an update if/when they find something! The local vets are cheaper, but I'm not sure they have seen something quite like this before.
         
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        03-26-2013, 03:24 AM
      #12
    Foal
    How does the saddle fit? If it pinches when she canters she could be swapping behind to try and avoid the pain. Could also explain why she would be getting worse the more you ride her, the longer the saddle is on her back the more sore she gets.
         
        03-26-2013, 04:17 AM
      #13
    Yearling
    SI issue possibly?

    I also read once somewhere that gut issues can make a horse appear lame in the back end as they will not stride properly trying to avoid it hurting. Kinda like when you get a stitch in your side I guess?

    Just throwing other ideas out there.
         
        03-26-2013, 12:36 PM
      #14
    Started
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    Originally Posted by 4horses    
    Thanks Greentree- Yes she is so much fun to ride. She will do absolutely anything you ask of her. I did all her training myself. She is such a sweetie! No attitude issues either, except when it is something she physically cannot do. One of the reasons I'm so determined to get to the bottom of this.

    Oldhorselady- Your Pinto mare's canter does resemble my girls when she is running free. Have you checked into SI issues for your mare as well? My vet always says they can have 2 completely unrelated issues that are causing the same symptoms. Have you tried taking her to a university vet school?

    I think I will try the University next. Hopefully they can figure it out! I'll post an update if/when they find something! The local vets are cheaper, but I'm not sure they have seen something quite like this before.
    Yes 4Horses....I've kind of gone through every ailment possible with people. One vet said she was still growing into her legs at the beginning, one vet diagnosed her recently with Stringhalt. Two chiros had no idea, massage therapist had no idea, trainers thought she was trying to gait, farriers no idea. The frustration is nobody even knows which body part to start with from neck down to her hind fetlocks. So, I have on the EPSM path right now and going to stick to it to rule it out. Later if nothing is different I will probably take the University route as well.

    Good luck to you. I hope to follow this thread and see your progress. I think think the local vets are cheaper initially, but when you get all these different opinions without any definite diagnosis...it costs more in the long run.
         
        03-26-2013, 12:39 PM
      #15
    Started
    4Horses...I'm with you as far as willingness and personality too. She will do whatever I ask and never complains or acts like it's painful. She just acts like she gets frustrated with herself and her limitations and her body just isn't doing what she is asking it to do. I almost feel like it is a horse with multiple sclerosis or something. But sooooooo sweet. When it came time to start her under saddle...it was just get on and go!
         
        03-26-2013, 01:03 PM
      #16
    Super Moderator
    4horses She might look 'wrong' with all that leg changing but she also looks very willing and forward going (almost like she even pulls a bit?)which surprised me as I didn't expect that as if it was pain related in a way that would restrict movement and cause stiffness like arthritic conditions do she wouldn't want to move like that
    Is she better or worse on one rein (direction) than the other? If so it might indicate that the problem is on one side
         
        03-26-2013, 03:57 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    She does move freely but looks rather ticked about it all the time. It almost looks behavioral in some ways like a horse that needs pushed through a temper tantrum . But it also looks like a horse with a weak back end that needs hill work and pushed hard enough into a gallop more often to figure out her feet pattern in each lead. Some horses make cross cantering a bad habit but others are too weak or never learned to place their feet properly. Lots of turnout helps these kinds with an active herd over big areas.

    My old TWH (ex padded. Lived in a stall almost all his life before I got him and yanked the pads off) couldnt canter either at first. He did the same thing, swapped around behind and crow hopped all out of whack. His feet were really bad too which didnt help and took time to get straightened out. He had some stifle arthritis and probably some minor hock issues and was very weak in the back end which was the biggie. Plus he'd never been allowed to canter and was stalled all the time. I don't think he ever really learned to canter properly. Hill work - walk and trot - helped alot as well as pushing him into a hard gallop up the hills on straight stretches and letting him figure out his legs.

    But if she is falling....That is worry some. He only fell running around the paddock like a crazy horse when it was wet. He would get discombobulated and tangle his legs all up like a foal almost and trip himself when trying to change leads and turn. He was not neuro at all.

    Just some more food for thought for you. I hope you get her figured out. She is very pretty.
         
        03-26-2013, 05:03 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    It is definitely not saddle fit. She's had time off and even has issues when being lunged or running free in the paddock.

    I don't think it is gut issues. I keep her on free choice hay and use hay nets, plus she is on a low grain diet. No signs of abdominal pain/colic.

    She is the same in both directions, although maybe a little worse going to the right. The previous vet thought the problem was in both hinds which is why he injected her stifles. She is willing to go forward, but sometimes I feel like she is trying to run away from the discomfort.

    I know this isn't an attitude issue, as she is so willing to do anything else. She has never given me an attitude about anything during her training career. If I ask her to fix her lead she even tries to fix it, but can't hold it more than 2 strides. As for fitness, she does have muscle loss on her topline. I've tried ground driving her and working on cavalettis and did try hill work before her last vet appointment but it really hasn't seemed to make any difference.
         
        03-26-2013, 09:58 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    Do you ever just trail ride her? Somewhere with some hills she has to climb and dgo down, navigate some trees and just use her whole body in different ways? Id seriously try that. Just walk, trot and build condition and see if it doesnt help. If you do try to canter, try up a hill and just a few strides after she is used to it. She may just be really weak like my guy was. It took him a good bit of time to get straightened out and build the missing strength.
         
        03-26-2013, 10:46 PM
      #20
    Started
    An interesting tidbit....I read that with EPSM many of times horses are diagnosed with colic because they keep bringing their noses around to their sides and muzzling their fur. I guess from their muscles being in discomfort. My horse has spots on her sides from her doing it. It's like she is always trying to get an itch there or something. She loves it when I rub her sides and belly.

    I ride my mare on all kinds of hills and trails. She is an awesome trail horse. Willing, no spook really, very interested. I do not push her up and down steep hills...I either get off or avoid them. Her fast walk can be a little uncomfortable since her hips sway around so much, but I much rather have that then her be a crazy nut horse.

    I hope you find an answer to keep you sane. It really can be challenging mentally just not knowing.
         

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