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post #1 of 6 Old 08-05-2011, 09:45 PM Thread Starter
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caloric intake-about how many calories are in these?

I have a 36ish year old arab/quarter 14.2hh gelding who is skinny(although he has gained a good amount of weight I would like to gain more,I taped him at about 840lbs). My barn owner(my old horse is at my moms house, not the boarding barn, I have my TB there) has a 30 year old (maybe 16hh) TB gelding who is much thinner(not sure what he weighs) then my gelding, probably as skinny or skinnier then my guy was when I changed him to triple crown senior from purina senior in march(she just switched about 2 months ago).
We both use TC senior, my guy gets about 4.3lbs 3x/day I honestly don't know how much she feeds him, but I know it's 2x/day(he won't eat if he's pulled in for lunch) and probably more in feed/feeding.
How many calories is in TCS/lb? And fat grams of fat?

They also both get legends rice bran, they get the max at 2lbs/day. How many calories/grams of fat are they getting per lb of that?

Also alfalfa pellets(cant remember how many lbs)? How many calories/lb and grams of fat?

Are timothy pellets higher or lower in fat or calories? I would assume lower, but they are more expensive then alfalfa(which I find odd since timothy is easier to get around here.

I also have my guy on hard keeper solution he is on 4oz/day but I read the package that says you can feed 6oz/day so I'm thinking about upping it.

For a horse you want to gain weight how many calories and grams of fat should they have/day.

Neither horse has many teeth left so they hay they actually ingest in minimal, today I got chopped hay(timothy, but I see they sell alfalfa also I want to look into getting that instead)from tractor supply today to see if my gelding would like it and he seems to. So I may make that a part of his normal diet. My guy is on pasture 24/7 but with another horse and donkey on it also and it being only 1.7 acres they chew it down to nothing is no time.

I know this is a lot to ask but the vet says that besides feeding him(well them actually since we use the same vet) soaked senior feed there really isn't anything else we can do. She was kinda hinting at not even bothering with my guy but I've had him since I was 12(13 years) and besides being skinny he is in great healthy and is very happy horse who likes to bully the younger appy. BO's horse is not on pasture all the time as he turn out area's don't really have grass, but they do let him mow the property when they are there, their horses are out with hay unless the weather is bad.

Thanks for anyone that can help!
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Sorry I ran out of time to edit the post, but this is the chopped hay I got today T-N-T Timothy-Alfalfa Chops, 40 lb. - 5048362 | Tractor Supply Company
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What we used for the toothless wonders at my barn was soaked hay cubes- not sure if they're available in your area? Fed three times per day, amount depended on the horse, but about 1 standard bucket each feeding.
Just lots and lots of (soaked) hay (cubes) seems to work the best to help them gain weight.

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Senior's is still your best bet. It is formulated for horses with no teeth, ie. A complete formula. It is higher in oils, has beet pulp for weight and probiotics. What I like to do is lightly dampen the pellets and feed it over a large surface so the horse has to nibble at it rather than bolting down big mouthfuls. The slower he eats, the better the digestion. I used an old kitchen table and added sides to it. This allowed me to really scatter the feed.
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I'm not familiar with the feeds or terminology but when I was looking for something with a few more calories I looked at the manufacturers website as it gave a good clear breakdown of the different levels, magnesium, calories etc.
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The Senior provides roughly 1.5 Mcal/# and 10% fat. That's 19.5 Mcals and 1.95# (885 g) fat.

Rice bran is 1.4 Mcals/# and 18% fat. 2.8 Mcals and .36# (163 g) fat.

Alfalfa pellets are 1.0 Mcal/# and 2.5% fat. Timothy pellets will have less calories (.8 Mcal) and about the same fat.

I'll make an educated guess on the Hard Keeper and based on the fat content (40%) put it in the 2 Mcal/# range. 4 oz should provide .5 Mcals and 1.6 oz (45 g) fat.

On paper, his diet even without the alfalfa pellets, would appear to meet his needs however his villi are probably tiny little nubs at 36 and absorption is minimal. There are probiotics in both the senior and the HK (probably less than 2 oz combined) but you can't go wrong by adding even more. I've had good luck with Diamond V (prebiotic). It's super cheap ($2.60/#) and I'd add 1 oz to each meal.

You're probably up against the wall that you just can't force him to eat more food. He has a finite amount that he will eat and that's it. Based on that thought, what's the RB being fed for? Extra fat and calories? It actually has less calories than the senior at a premium price. Stay with the alfalfa pellets as they are tastier than timothy and higher in calories. You can easily sneak additonal calories into the diet with oils. Drizzle it over the senior and pellets. 1/4 C twice a day will add 1 Mcal. You should be able to get 1 C or more into him without increasing the bulk. That will bump your fat content another 4% or more. Decreasing the size of his meals to under 4 gallons of slop 3-4 times per day will probably go farther that just about anything.

Even without teeth, they all want to chew and graze. If you can find some fine stem dairy quality alfalfa (3rd or 4th cutting). Give him a few #s. Let him pick out all the leaves than throw the stems to the others. If you own a leaf shredder, you can also run a flake through it to chop it into 2-3 in pieces.
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