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    04-03-2013, 06:19 PM
  #11
Showing
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Originally Posted by Oxer    
I would love for him to be in a pasture with other horses, that's just not possible where we are.
Then you need to move him to someplace where he CAN be out. This isn't good for him to be cooped up with swollen legs. He needs to be able to walk to boost circulation and prevent the swelling.

You need to do what is best for your horse;
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    04-03-2013, 07:09 PM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
My old Vet (of more than 25 years) recently retired. He experimented with it and used it extensively much earlier than most other Vets did. He started using it IV more than 20 years ago and saved many horses with it long before I heard of any other Equine clinics using it.
DMSO IV treatment has been around a lot longer than 20 years. As a vet tech in the early 80s we used it as a treatment for horses regulary. Even then, it was not new. We used it so often I became immune to the smell, but it always left the fish taste in my mouth.
     
    04-04-2013, 01:29 AM
  #13
Yearling
I have noticed that there is a pretty nasty bruise under the skin where the digital extensor tendon runs (Right Hind). He's got white stockings up his hind legs so it's pretty easy to see. I will take some pictures tomorrow so you folks can get a look at the mess that's going on. It's pretty frustrating. He's still going sound. I would think that surely he would be dead lame with all this going on.

As for sending him away.... I would like for the vet to come out and re-evaluate. If this is something more serious, then I would like to set him up in a facility that will cater to his rehabilitation. It will be very far from me. I will have to really be comfortable with whatever the diagnosis/prognosis is before I let him out of my care.
     
    04-04-2013, 07:42 AM
  #14
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It would worry me the most that this swelling does not pit on pressure. This means that it is all inflammatory swelling and not edema. It is not a cellulitis yet, but could be with the entry of bacteria. Constantly monitoring his temperature will tell you if serious antibiotics need to be used. I would probably opt for using them now, especially if your Vet has had him on Dexamethasone.

The 'weeping' tells me that there is a lot of tissue damage and blood vessel damage. Again, DMSO with an antibiotic and steroid mixed in would help more than anything.

I would NOT stand this horse in a pond. Pong water is way too dirty where there is any break in the skin. It would be the wrong thing to do.

And yes, trying to remember when I was first told to use DMSO IV -- It was in 1985 when I inherited a barn full of horses with Strangles. Several had already died. One died right after I got there. Several had internal abscesses. I called my Vet here in OK, Dr. Leon Self. [Dr. Self was the predecessor to the one that recently retired.] I was in Missouri where I went to try to 'bale out' this owner of over 300 horses with 50-60 of them sick. I did not lose any more after I started treating them. I first used it mixed with other medications in 1959 or 1960 when I was grooming on the race track.

When you run into a horse that is sensitive to it, you just cannot use it on them. Some of those horses cannot take SMZ pills either or Glucosomine Sulfate. Glucosomine Sulfate is a substance very similar to DMSO Chemically. I would guess that Chondroitin Sulfate would be the same.
     
    04-04-2013, 03:28 PM
  #15
Yearling
Oxer have you tried ice wraps? Get some polo wraps, some ice blankets, and a thin towel. Wet the towel, put it on the leg, apply the ice blanket and wrap it all on with the polo wraps. Each ice wrap lasts about 15 minutes before it melts. Most ice blankets can be cut to the size you need. I use rubbermaid ice blankets and mine lasted a long time before some of the cells broke.

I would stop working this horse except for hand walks. He could have damage to his ligaments (ligament damage does not always produce a severe lameness or even any lameness symptoms at all). You would need an ultrasound to check for that. Although with weeping it sounds like an infection.

Get the vet out !
     
    04-05-2013, 01:58 AM
  #16
Yearling
Well I called the vet tonight and told him it can't wait. The swelling has very suddenly moved all the way up into the hock. Vet said he will be out tomorrow first thing... and that he will likely need a serious round of antibiotics. He wouldn't eat his dinner tonight either which is also very alarming. I bought a large jug of the 99% DMSO today, and will be seeking the go ahead from the vet to start applying it (and hopefully instructions on how to put the stuff on correctly!). I also bought 4 new pairs of no bows, since we seem to be going through them faster than I can get them cleaned. Anyway... hopefully a round of antibiotics will get this all under control. I will let ya'll know what I find out tomorrow.
     
    04-05-2013, 11:26 AM
  #17
Trained
I hope he get better quickly !
     
    04-05-2013, 01:28 PM
  #18
Yearling
DMSO isn't too hard to apply... just bring a proper cotton wrap, syran/plastic wrap and some sort of wrap to wrap around it. I used a pair of rubber gloves as well and my farrier told me to use a clean toothbrush to apply it... it worked well and I never managed to get it on myself either. He told me I could expect some fuss about the first application since sometimes it causes sensations in their legs but Indie didn't mind at all, however, he said it was likely that she had DMSO put on before in her racing days.

Basically, you just need to put a thin application on the entire area that's showing signs of swelling and once it's on, you put the cotton wrap (or no bow as I think you said you bought) around it. Then, you put the syran/plastic wrap around that before applying the final bandage/wrap to keep it all together. Also, I'm sure the vet told you use, but sometimes the DMSO will change states and generally, you want it in a more liquid form so putting it in hot water for a few minutes will help with that. :)
     
    04-05-2013, 02:20 PM
  #19
Green Broke
Like everyone said, he needs constant physical exercise. Henny was treated with DMSO and dex through an IV drip for almost three days. He then continued oral bute and dex for almost two months afterwards. He was on stall rest most of that time and never stocked up. The last time I stalled him was a couple months ago and he stocked up over night. He hadn't stayed in his stall since then and he hasn't stocked up since then. Could I ask why your facilities doesn't whole turnout for your horse? I hope you get this under control and he gets better. It's hard setting our horses hurting, no matter the reason.
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    04-05-2013, 02:32 PM
  #20
Green Broke
Ignore all my typos, dang phone. I also forgot to mention Henny was treated for brain damage/swelling.
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