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    06-22-2009, 08:55 AM
Good Luck! I know how agonizing it is to see your horse in consant pain. Poor guy....
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    06-22-2009, 01:25 PM
I am finding that, because I have tried different farriers in the past that everyone has there own way of doing things. Nutty Saddler- you say its not the fault of the farrier, I don't trim my horses feet so I don't know what you mean by it not being the farriers fault on how he "got like this". I don't think anyone knows that there horses feet are not in good shape (unless there a farrier) until something drastic is done like my guys where its obvious and doesnt look right and your horse ends up lame, or you have a different farrier come out and point out whats going on. I don't know hoof angles or fancy tricks to trimming I just know that my horses feet are not as good as they were, good and strong. They have gone downhill quick. I know you woldnt be able to put shoes on his feet the way they are because of his heals looking so unbalanced and that's what made me think wow he didnt do a good job at all and of course the severe lameness afterwards. Like I said, he is much better yesterday when I went to see him, hardly lame at all and full of fire. Although very bruised on his sole from what I could see when I cleaned out the sore one, he seems ok just needs to be rebalanced to start rebuilding healthy feeties.
    06-22-2009, 07:27 PM
a good half inch of toe off both his front feet and then just sort of left his heals from what it looks like.

For one thing, cutting the toe off short from the bottom will cause lameness due to the cutting of sole to accomodate the shorter toe. Also you said he pared the sole out. BAD, do not allow this for a barefoot horse from the frog forward. The callous protects the tender new sole undneath. The softness you notice is due to excessive sole being pared out. I would like to see a flat on view of the sole also.. Based on what I see from your pics I will say the hoof wall at the front is too short BECAUSE the farrier cut sole. If your horse had a nice callous built up and it was removed thar ya be.. I am sorry your horse has been in so much discomfort.. I will boot or bute for very sore feet if this happens, which it does not anymore since my trimmer rocks. Many farriers think that an underrun heel is a low heel, not true.. Underrun heels need to be pulled back to the widest part of the frog by rasping. This sounds like it shortens the heel but in fact it does not. Beveling or rolling the toe agressively will help to build the hoof to discourage underrun heels. But excessive trimming wall from the bottom is not good.
    06-22-2009, 10:57 PM
Appyt- When I took the pics I was looking at his feet and I think if he would have cut anymore off his toes, he would have bled. They are short! Can you explain to me about the callous in the hoof? I have seen this on barefoot horses, is this something that makes a healthy strong hoof? (sorry if I sound like an dumb dumb..haha) I am all about barefoot, not against shoes but I don't have a use for them being as I don't ride on really hard terrain like gravel or rocks. I want to get his feet nice and strong but want to know what I am looking at. Its soo hard like I said as every farrier does things different, and always has a reason, and I don't want to tell them what I want and have them look at me like im nutz!
    06-23-2009, 12:14 AM
LOL You must be young.. I could care less if someone looks at me like I'm nuts. Ok, first you need to do some online research on barefoot hoof trimming. I always point people who want to learn about this to my trimmers site first. She has very good info and links to other reputable trim related sites. Study, learn, ask questions and print stuff out for your farrier(if s/he is willing to learn). Discuss and cuss if you must. I happened into barefoot trimming when I decided to not shoe any longer as the expense was rediculous as I wasn't riding often. I was simply looking for someone to trim my horses and fell into barefoot trim info.. I am very happy with it. You can learn to do your horses hooves yourself if you cannot find anyone willing or able to do it. Here is a really good page on trimming.
    06-23-2009, 12:22 AM
Sorry I didn't really answer your question on the toe callous. You have seen this so I don't have to show it to you. TG because I can never find a good pic when I need it. ;) Yes it makes the hoof stronger as the coffin bone is somewhat supported by it. Think of a shoe you might wear on city streets but you wouldn't wear it on gravel as the sole is too think and you would feel the rocks. Think of a shoe that is thicker soled and you don't feel the gravel underfoot. The sole is to cover and protect the inner hoof. The wall is to cover and protect the same thing but from a different direction. Both are to built to support the weight of the horse. Wall, sole and frog all contribute to a healthy hoof. I hope that helped.
    06-23-2009, 02:52 PM
Thanks appyt!! Very helpful!
    06-23-2009, 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by paint gurl 23    
Thanks appyt!! Very helpful!
Oh good. It made sense.. lol
    06-24-2009, 03:56 PM
Hi, I just thought I would jump in here since you were looking for a certified farrier.

I am not a certified farrier but I have taken a seminar that was hosted by a Strasser Hoofcare Professional and the clinician was the President of the Equine Soundness Association also known as the ESA (Strasser method training in North America).

From what I see from the picture, your horses heels are uneven and are starting to become underrun. Now, my horse went lame after 6 weeks of shoes and developed a crack that started at the coronary band and went all the way down to the ground. I was unable to get my regular farrier out so I called this lady that did barefoot. Found out later that she is SHP CERTIFIED and I haven't looked back.

One thing that I must stress is that correcting/healing your horse is going to take much more than just trimming. You must look at your horse's metabolism, living conditions and environment in order for the healing process to progress.

There are many people out there that are quick to slam Strasser but I also think that those people need to look at the whole picture as to what it takes to heal the horse. Also, yes, I am sorry, I am on a Strasser rant here, all SHPs must go for yearly recertification in order to hold onto the SHP status. Another note of interest, is that the President of the ESA is also a VETERINARIAN, therefore, all SHPs have vet advice at their convienience.

Plus, the Strasser trimming course is now a 2 year course! I am very sorry but I would rather have someone that went to school for 2 years work on my horse than someone who took a weekend trimming course and is out trimming for a living....

I am not saying that all other natural trimmers don't know what they are doing, kudos to them for promoting the barefoot movement!

I urge you to read Dr. Strasser's book - A Lifetime of Soundness and to visit the ESA North America website Natural Hoof Care, Strasser Hoof, Laminitis, Navicular, Coffin Bone
    06-24-2009, 06:44 PM
Horse Hippie- I will look into reading that. I have my farrier coming out tonight so will write in an update when I get home tonight!

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