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    01-31-2012, 11:06 AM
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Chaste tree berry for Cushing's horse?

My horse has recently been "unofficially" diagnosed with Cushing's disease/syndrome. I am planning on having him tested soon, but I want to help him out now with his thick coat in our warm Georgia winter. I am thinking about trying the chaste tree powder and I've heard some good things about it but I would like more input if possible.

Are there any negative side effects?
How much should I start off giving him and working up to?
Is it safe to be mixed in with the weight and joint supplements that he is already getting?

I'd appreciate any thoughts or answers to my questions. Thanks!
     
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    01-31-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by amp23    
My horse has recently been "unofficially" diagnosed with Cushing's disease/syndrome. I am planning on having him tested soon, but I want to help him out now with his thick coat in our warm Georgia winter. I am thinking about trying the chaste tree powder and I've heard some good things about it but I would like more input if possible.

Are there any negative side effects?Not to my knowledge. I've been feeding it 4-1/2 years to my horse with Equine Metabolic Syndrome, which is Peripheal Cushings. Not really cushings but still a metabolic disorder in which the insulin has to be stabilized.

How much should I start off giving him and working up to?That can depend on living conditions (pasture or not, type of weather) and each horse's metabolism.

My horse comes in at night, with daytime turnout on 22 acres so he gets lots of movement. I feed him one heaping tablespoon daily during the winter months.

I up that to a heaping quarter cup when spring gets here and he's starting to shed but not letting go of everything as fast as he should.

Is it safe to be mixed in with the weight and joint supplements that he is already getting?Yes it is safe with all of those.

I'd appreciate any thoughts or answers to my questions. Thanks!
For sure, your horse needs tested but, don't let them do the Dex test (dexamethasone). It has been known to cause founder in some (not all) horses.

Ask for the ACTH test instead; it's a simple blood test that will determine cortisol level ALMOST as accurately as the Dex method.

Have the vet draw a second vile of blood to check the insulin level. Keep records of all this as it gives you baseline.

The chastetree won't hurt your horse, even if he isn't cushings.

BUT if cushings is suspected, the horse needs to get off bagged feed with oats, corn and molasses in it, five minutes ago.

If he is eating straight alfalfa, he needs backed off that and put on grass hay. Legume hays are not good for metabolic horses. He might tolerate the alfalfa ok for the moment but, as time passes he probably won't. Cushings does not go away; the best you can do is manage the horse's diet, hooves and exercise in a very strict manner and hope for the best.

As far as performance, while they're heart is in it, their energy level is not. These metabolic horses wear out a lot faster than what is normal for each particular horse.

My EMS guy is 24, he still goes out the drive at Mach 80, but after going up and down two steep hills, he really really slows down. This is the horse that used to make the 10 mile trip around our block coming back in the drive at the same Mach 80 he left it with

Hope this helps
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    01-31-2012, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
For sure, your horse needs tested but, don't let them do the Dex test (dexamethasone). It has been known to cause founder in some (not all) horses.

Ask for the ACTH test instead; it's a simple blood test that will determine cortisol level ALMOST as accurately as the Dex method.

Have the vet draw a second vile of blood to check the insulin level. Keep records of all this as it gives you baseline.

The chastetree won't hurt your horse, even if he isn't cushings.

BUT if cushings is suspected, the horse needs to get off bagged feed with oats, corn and molasses in it, five minutes ago.

If he is eating straight alfalfa, he needs backed off that and put on grass hay. Legume hays are not good for metabolic horses. He might tolerate the alfalfa ok for the moment but, as time passes he probably won't. Cushings does not go away; the best you can do is manage the horse's diet, hooves and exercise in a very strict manner and hope for the best.

As far as performance, while they're heart is in it, their energy level is not. These metabolic horses wear out a lot faster than what is normal for each particular horse.

My EMS guy is 24, he still goes out the drive at Mach 80, but after going up and down two steep hills, he really really slows down. This is the horse that used to make the 10 mile trip around our block coming back in the drive at the same Mach 80 he left it with

Hope this helps
Thanks! I know you were also helping me out on my other thread, I'm just trying to get more of an idea of what to do lol. Hunter is not eating alfalfa, and I put pics on the other thread of the feed he's on. He and the other horses have done really well on it. His feet are trimmed every 4 weeks and the farrier we use has a horse with Cushing's, so he's been helping me out feet-wise and will be helping keep an eye on him. I have noticed that some days he has less energy than others, so maybe the chaste tree berry powder will help..

I'm just trying to budget it all out and figure out roughly how much it'll cost me for the powder and other supplements and all that he needs.. I also talked with my vet today and he suggested the dex test, I asked about the risk of founder and he said it's low, and it'll cost about 250 with the 2 farm calls and the bloodwork. I think I'm going to ask him about the other test, but I am going to be waiting at least a few weeks to do any testing. I'd really like to try the chaste tree powder to see if that makes a difference first. If it does then I'll keep him on it, otherwise probably do testing and get him on Pergolide. Does this sound like a bad idea?
     
    02-01-2012, 09:34 AM
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Chasteberry is a great alternative for a natural treatment for cushings. Spend alot of time researching cushing for a neighbors senior horse, a mustang. After talking to her owner, I suggested trying the chasteberry which we ordered online. I think we gave her 2 teaspoons a day (I told him he needed to pull/cutback her grain, take her off the sweet version and buy a pellet version), mixed it with the little grain she got. Also advised she really didnt need to graze 24/7, so he started putting her up at night with a couple leaves of hay. Also suggested he start her on a joint supplement, so he went with the MSM (smartpak) that I was giving my mare. She was a different horse within a very short time. SHe was already foundered, but when my neighbor started using my farrier and she was getting trims on a regular basis, that was even improving. She was actually running the fields again, and the heavy signs she had of cushings were actually alot less. And there were no side effects that we noticed.
     
    02-01-2012, 10:24 AM
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I am currently switching Hunter from CortaFlex to MSM, waiting on the CF to run out :) we'll see how that works for him! Should I start off with just 1 tablespoon of the chastetree and possibly work up to more after I see how it works for him? Or should I start with less?

Here are 2 sites where I found the powder:
Chaste Tree Berry Powder | Horse Endocrine Supplements | Equine Supplements > Endocrine Health | DePAOLO EQUINE CONCEPTS - DePaolo Equine Concepts
Horse Herbs Naturally - Herbs!
     
    02-01-2012, 10:33 AM
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Foal
I believe we bought our at a online herb place
Bulk Organic Herbs and Spices
Bought it in powder form..and I would start with 2 teaspoons and see how that goes first. Im sure the ones you had checked would work just as well..the mustang we treated was about 14 hands, but again I would start with 2 teaspoons daily and see how well that works first.
     
    02-01-2012, 10:47 AM
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On the site you gave me, it says it's organic. What's the difference?
     
    02-01-2012, 10:53 AM
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Foal
Theres probably not much difference other than "organic" implying there are no other additives and its natural. It was a less expensive option compaired to the ones we found that said was for horses but in reality is the same thing. I've emailed smartpak (where we get most of our supplements) in the past to see if they could eventually add it to their selection but must not be enough interest.
     
    02-01-2012, 11:02 AM
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I looked for it through SmartPak since that's where I have Hunter's monthly supplements coming from, it'd make my life easier to keep it all together.. Maybe sometime they'll get it. I did notice the link you sent me was cheaper, so I may just go with that one. Thanks!
     
    02-01-2012, 11:17 AM
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Foal
Yes love the smartpaks:) Your welcome...might help if you send a email/suggestion about the chasteberry too. It could be they just have to wait on a certain amount of requests before they will add to their supplements. Their smartpaks sure make life easier, and no guess work. I hope you update how your horse does on the chasteberry. I had some doubts but it really does help.
     

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